Rise of the "HomoCon"

[jmdrake]

I miss the part where that article speaks in a manner which would be considered neoconservative.

This part:

“Prime Minister Netanyahu is absolutely right when he says that this is not a clash of civilizations but a clash between civilization and barbarism."

So we should go to war with the Muslim world to protect gay rights?

 

[TonySutton]

But we are not getting drunk together. I wouldn't want to be in a situation with you where your inhibitions are lower than normal. That's when gays start grabbin dicks and smackin asses.

Not to mention gays are just filthy people. That's why I don't eat in fine dining restaurants. A lot of professional chefs are gay and I don't want their gay fingers in my food.

hahaha... are you kidding? Who says I would think you are even cute enough I'm kind of picky.

1 I dont drink to get drunk, 2 I dont have random sex

With regards to your filthy comment, I really have to disagree. Most gay guys are too clean, whereas most straight guys are filthy.

 

[jmdrake]

I seriously doubt this is true. You could be working alongside me for 10 years and never know I am gay but you would probably go drink a beer with me in an instant or maybe some iced tea.

Personally I think I'd rather know. I had a boss once that I thought was straight come on to me. By contrast I've had classmates that I'm sure were gay that weren't a problem at all.

 

[MelissaWV]

People working at restaurants are generally pretty gross, fine dining or otherwise. Anyplace that seems to NEED a sign in the bathroom telling their employees to wash their hands... well let's just say it's justification for not eating there.

Oh and if your objection is where that "filthy homosexual's" hands may have been prior to dinner service, I assure you the "filthy heterosexual" guys have hand their hands on precisely the same equipment fairly recently. It becomes a non-issue if they both wash their hands.

 

[furface]

No, neoconservatism is the belief in using US economic and military force to bear on other countries to promote democracy. With a touch of big government as long as they are the ones spending the money.

Agreeing with an Israeli on a specific topic is not fanatical support and using the phrase "radical Islam" is the proper way of talking about certain far right Islamic groups instead of grouping all Muslims together, which is why PM Netanyahu used the term.

You need to get your definitions right.

Look at #17.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

How does "radical Islam" threaten you? I know how it threatens Israel, but I want to know how it threatens you as an American, especially if you stop supporting Israel. This is pure neoconservativism, supporting Israel to the detriment of U.S. interests.

This group is advocating ensnaring America into a fight against Muslims that has nothing to do with America.

Almost all Muslims want to rid the world of the political state of Israel. "Radical Islam" is a catch phrase for Islam in general. It's pure bigotry and neoconservativism.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

People working at restaurants are generally pretty gross, fine dining or otherwise. Anyplace that seems to NEED a sign in the bathroom telling their employees to wash their hands... well let's just say it's justification for not eating there.

Blergh, I can't leave the bathroom without washing my hands. Even when I was doing Civil War reenacting, where we had no 'flushers or showers', I carried around a bottle of liquid hand sanitizer cause, well, its simply gross otherwise.

 

[TonySutton]

Personally I think I'd rather know. I had a boss once that I thought was straight come on to me. By contrast I've had classmates that I'm sure were gay that weren't a problem at all.

I generally do not discuss my personal life at work. I know a lot of people look forward to gossiping all about their personal life at work, its just not me. Its probably due to the time I spent in the Marines.

 

[TonySutton]

You need to get your definitions right.

Look at #17.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

I looked at #17 and the article was not PRO Israel, it was about what an Israeli said concerning gay rights. It did not endorse Benjamin Netanyahu or the Likud Party, it simply patted him on the back for making some pro-gay statements.

How does "radical Islam" threaten you? I know how it threatens Israel, but I want to know how it threatens you as an American, especially if you stop supporting Israel. This is pure neoconservativism, supporting Israel to the detriment of U.S. interests.

Were did "I" or the article say they were threatened by "radical islam?"

This group is advocating ensnaring America into a fight against Muslims that has nothing to do with America.

Which group? GOProud? There was nothing in the article advocating such action.

Almost all Muslims want to rid the world of the political state of Israel. "Radical Islam" is a catch phrase for Islam in general. It's pure bigotry and neoconservativism.

Provide me a better way to describe those Muslims which misinterpret the Koran to gain power and soon you will declare it racist bigotry too!

 

[amonasro]

I just have to say, some of the anti-gay comments and stereotypes on this thread are disgusting. I hope it's not the prevailing attitude here. Again, it's not like gay men have some kind of choice, or can be "converted" one way or another. It's chemical. They can either choose to come out and risk the consequences, or stay in the closet, repress, marry an unsuspecting woman and make both of them incredibly unhappy. It's a huge problem for them because they have to find a way to fit into "normal" male society.

If homosexuality is the decay of society and family, why has it been around for thousands of years? This is not a new phenomenon. Why do men born into normal families turn out to be gay? Why are they supposed to conform to something that makes them unhappy because society/church/family says so? Doesn't that go against the entire idea of individual liberty?

I'm not gay, but I work in the performing arts. As a married straight man, I'm in the minority. I'd estimate that 50-60% of my male co-workers (singers, artists, directors, professors administrators, etc.) are gay. Is that some kind of coincidence? No, because the arts draws an overwhelmingly large number of gays, and I suspect many of them are still repressed. But it also encourages artistic expressiveness and honesty between oneself, the performing medium, and the audience, so more men choose to "come out" than other professions.

For whatever reason, no other facet of US society has these kinds of numbers, and it shows a microcosm on how things would play out if homosexuality were an accepted part of society: Of the grown adult gay men I know, I'd estimate that 75% are in monagamous relationships and live exclusively with one man. Sure, there are promiscuous gay men, but they tend to settle down in their 30s. Also, the younger they come out of the closet, the less promiscuous they become and the more well-rounded psychologically they are. Many of them have woman/mother-like personalities anyway, so why would they want to be promiscuous? This trashes the stereotype that gay men are dirty, immoral and STD-ridden. The reason this stereotype exists in the first place is because they used to be shunned and forced to live in the dregs of society.

I don't think it's weird to talk about this, and it doesn't always require copious amounts of booze. I've been given a unique perspective based on conversations I've had with them. Let me tell you, it teaches you something when you have friends for years before they decide to "come out" and admit their attraction to you. Yes, this has happened to me (more than once) and has shown me how difficult it must be for them.

Liberty-minded people should be reaching out to this community. Gay men tend to be liberal Democrats, but are incredibly open to Libertarian ideas when educated about them. But promoting hate and gay stereotypes is not the way to move forward.

 

[bruce leeroy]

Blergh, I can't leave the bathroom without washing my hands. Even when I was doing Civil War reenacting, where we had no 'flushers or showers', I carried around a bottle of liquid hand sanitizer cause, well, its simply gross otherwise.

all this talk about handwashing and bathrooms and resturaunts remeinds me of an old joke.........
here goes............
whats the difference between a white collar man and a blue collar man?
A white collar man washes his hands after he takes a piss so his dick doesn't get his hands dirty; a blue collar man washes his hands before he takes a piss so his hands don't get his dick dirty

well, I thought it was a pretty good one anyway

 

[jmdrake]

Which group? GOProud? There was nothing in the article advocating such action.

What do you think GOPride meant by endorsing NuttyYahoo's call for a "clash between civilization and barbarism"? What do you think NuttyYahoo meant by that?

 

[furface]

What do you think GOPride meant by endorsing NuttyYahoo's call for a "clash between civilization and barbarism"? What do you think NuttyYahoo meant by that?

Excellent way of putting it. "Clash between civilization and barbarism" = WOT. No difference.

 

[furface]

When GOProud advocates removing America from all foreign conflicts and eliminating all foreign aid including to Israel, I'll believe they're not neocons. Until then, they're just another butt licking Israel firster Likud crony org.

 

[bruce leeroy]

why do peopel think Israel "needs" US help? Remember, this is the same group of people who kicked the whole camel contingent's ass and made it home to watch the game on sunday back in 67.

 

[TonySutton]

What do you think GOPride meant by endorsing NuttyYahoo's call for a "clash between civilization and barbarism"? What do you think NuttyYahoo meant by that?

clash - A conflict, as between opposing or irreconcilable ideas

Clash does not always mean fighting a war. Colors can clash. You can have a clash of ideas, as is the case described in the article.

civilization - Cultural or intellectual refinement

barbarism - An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity

In the article he is describing their outlook on gays as being intellectually advanced compared to the view of some muslims who promote killing gays.

 

[Liberty Star]

How they differ from neo-cons?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2166502&postcount=5

 

[jmdrake]

clash - A conflict, as between opposing or irreconcilable ideas

Clash does not always mean fighting a war. Colors can clash. You can have a clash of ideas, as is the case described in the article.

civilization - Cultural or intellectual refinement

barbarism - An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity

In the article he is describing their outlook on gays as being intellectually advanced compared to the view of some muslims who promote killing gays.

I specifically asked what you thought NuttyYahoo meant. I see you don't want to answer that. I can understand why. Further you only have a "clash of colors" if you put them together. If western culture leaves Muslim culture alone there is no "clash".

 

[TonySutton]

I specifically asked what you thought NuttyYahoo meant. I see you don't want to answer that. I can understand why. Further you only have a "clash of colors" if you put them together. If western culture leaves Muslim culture alone there is no "clash".

Actually you asked 2 questions, I answered the first so stop trying to say I ran from your question. I believe it is pretty clear what Netanyahu meant. He was stating that the far right muslim way of thinking with regards to women, gays and religious minorities is uncivilized, old fashioned and ignorant.

 

[jmdrake]

Actually you asked 2 questions, I answered the first so stop trying to say I ran from your question. I believe it is pretty clear what Netanyahu meant. He was stating that the far right muslim way of thinking with regards to women, gays and religious minorities is uncivilized, old fashioned and ignorant.

That's only part of what he's saying. The rest of what he is saying is that it must be confronted. And his way of confronting it is militarily. Thus the "clash of civilizations". If you don't understand that, here's some light reading from Pat Buchanan.

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-coming-clash-of-civilizations-400

You can think something is "uncivilized, old fashioned and ignorant" without seeking to "clash" with it.

 

[The Patriot]

the comments from some of you young people on this forum underscore EXACTLY what I'm talkin about..

You have all been so corrupted by modern society that you can't even see it. Moral standards that were in place for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before you were even born were only overturned in the past 40 years.

These mores existed for a reason. They served as the basis for the formation of stable families and stable communities.

You fools who scoff at what has happened to our society really think that all we need is Austrian Economics and everything will be ok?

Look around.....half the damn country is medicated or addicted to booze, drugs etc. All trying to fill the emptiness inside...an emptiness caused by a dgenerate society that thinks "happiness" is to be found in material things and easy sex instead of faith in a higher power, stable relationships and traditional families.

50% divorce.....young people who never marry or have kids.....herpes, AIDS, screwed up emotional development, abortions, perversions, depression......

How's that sexual revolution thingey workin out for ya?

I call bs on that.

A large majority of our problems would be solved if we adapted Austrian economics. Economics is by far the most important issue. What gays do in the privacy of their bedrooms has nothing to do with the impending dollar crisis. Gay couples having the same inheritance or hospital visitation rights has nothing to do with the Overhaul of Healthcare in this country towards a single payer system. The fact is, social issues revolving around the homosexual community just distract us from real progress. This is how the social cons and neo cons have held onto the republican party for so long, they bring out the evangelicals in droves on the gay marriage and abortion issue.

If we could get to no income tax, no capital gains tax, no Federal Reserve, competing currencies, abolition of all unconstitutional federal departments among other things our country would be in much better shape, that is just a fact. However, on the other hand, a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage would do nothing but circumvent states rights and we would still be on our way to a huge financial crisis. It would just be used as a tool to appease values votes while keeping them distracted from real issues.

Gay people have been around since the beginning of time, it isn't a new phenomenon. Gays aren't responsible for the shit shape our country is in. The entitlement mentality is the problem, our government is the problem, and corporatism is the problem.

The fact is, America, morally speaking, is not falling off a cliff as you say. It is a good thing that women can separate from abusive husbands, it is a good thing people that no longer love each other can separate. In a free society, people should be able to freely associate and disassociate. And 50% of couples don't get divorced, it just tends to be the a few people tend to get divorced all the time.

Gays have nothing to do with abortion rates or addiction issues in America. Addiction is an individual's problem that has nothing to do with them. Addiction has been around since humans have been around. It is inherent on the individual to pick himself up and improve himself, blaming a group of people is just a cop out.

The Government cannot regulate morality, and they have no right to unless someone's life, liberty, or property is being violated.