Rise of the "HomoCon"

[Krugerrand]

I forgot to add that what we consider incest was rather common in that "thousands of years" of superior morality. Hell, King Tut was the product of 2-3 generations of brother/sister marriage, and married his sister.

Consult the nearest Bible for all sorts of nice examples.

Melissa ... I'd like to tie your point into what I was trying to say in my previous post. A lot of this comes down to "what is socially acceptable." The fact that that changes over time does not undermine the validity of society to have an "acceptable" and an "unacceptable." Incest and age-of-consent are good examples of that.

I learned from my experiences in Germany that it was not deemed acceptable for a pedestrian to cross a street on an equivalent "don't walk" sign even with no traffic around. It's commonplace where I am now. Do it there, you're a kook. Do it here, you're practical.

It's important that society can establish what is acceptable and what is not because we are social animals. It's important that government not use force to interfere with social mores.

 

[MelissaWV]

Melissa ... I'd like to tie your point into what I was trying to say in my previous post. A lot of this comes down to "what is socially acceptable." The fact that that changes over time does not undermine the validity of society to have an "acceptable" and an "unacceptable." Incest and age-of-consent are good examples of that.

I learned from my experiences in Germany that it was not deemed acceptable for a pedestrian to cross a street on an equivalent "don't walk" sign even with no traffic around. It's commonplace where I am now. Do it there, you're a kook. Do it here, you're practical.

It's important that society can establish what is acceptable and what is not because we are social animals. It's important that government not use force to interfere with social mores.

Right...

I was talking about sofia's long list of what's ruining society, and the use of "this morality's been around for thousands of years!" argument (referring to loving monogamous marriages, etc.). In reality, what's been around for thousands of years would largely fall into the "unacceptable" category today throughout much of the "civilized world."

 

[constituent]

YouTube - Sublime-5446/Ball and Chain

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Did anyone visit the booth for the other new group at CPAC?

GOPee.org "We want to rain on your parade."

 

[johngr]

I agree. I have no problem what two consenting beings do, I'd like to see how you can prove that an animal with a lack of rational thought gave their consent. If there is no consent, it's an initiation on your behalf on an unwilling participant.

My chicken can't "consent" to me taking eggs from it or plucking and eating it, either.

 

[Bruno]

^ What's with the fowl language?

 

[pcosmar]

^ What's with the fowl language?

What does pluckin' chicken have to do with anything.

 

[jmdrake]

What does pluckin' chicken have to do with anything.

It rhymes with....oh nevermind. I think the point is that animals don't really have any rights so no real harm is done if they are "violated". Or to look at it another way, a cucumber can't consent to anything either.

Regardless, I'm back to my earlier point. If we're sooooooo worried about voters in a republican primary being put off if we were to embrace 9/11 truth, then why embrace groups like GOPride.org? Either we go with political expediency or we don't.

 

[lester1/2jr]

Justin Raimondo's columns were really my introduction to libertarianism. I had known pat Bchanans columns which I read at antiwar then I read Justins and got more of the full libertarian approach and I don't think I've missed a column since in years. He's still my favorite writer. I know he is gay and is very agnostic on "gay rights" but he's like one of my all time favorite people and wrote "taking back the right" which Dr Paul cited as a reason he ran for president in 2008.


I look at the bible issue as "thou shall not steal" what is being gay stealing? do you want your daughter to marry a gay guy?

homosexual american or christian or conservative or whatever is my friend same as any other

 

[Bucjason]

If you are homosexual , you were born that way and it isn't your fault.

If you are a 9/11 truther, you have willingly CHOSEN to be a moron.

Big difference.

 

[thasre]

Too bad they couldn't get Ned to speak there.

YouTube - Ned calls the gay and lesbian channel

That is the funniest thing I've seen in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

 

[jmdrake]

If you are homosexual , you were born that way and it isn't your fault.

If you are a 9/11 truther, you have willingly CHOSEN to be a moron.

Big difference.

If you believe the 9/11 commission report after the commissioners themselves have said they were lied to then you are dumber than Sarah Palin.

 

[Bucjason]

If you believe the 9/11 commission report after the commissioners themselves have said they were lied to then you are dumber than Sarah Palin.

No , I believe my own eyes and ears.

I SAW terrorists fly planes into buildings.

I heard Al-Queda admit they did it , and explain in detail how the plan was carried out, backed by evidence.

Pretty simple.

To make these huge leaps of faith from pieces of speculation to pieces of circumstancial evidence , and patch it all together and claim it as fact, takes an idiot. I'm sorry.

 

[Bucjason]

duplicate , sorry if anyone is offended

at the risk of being suspended again

 

[CapitalistRadical]

Jdo you want your daughter to marry a gay guy?

I'd much rather she married a lesbian.

 

[LibertarianfromGermany]

I learned from my experiences in Germany that it was not deemed acceptable for a pedestrian to cross a street on an equivalent "don't walk" sign even with no traffic around. It's commonplace where I am now. Do it there, you're a kook. Do it here, you're practical.

Well, it's against the law here in Germany, but most people still ignore it when no traffic is around. No government is telling me when to cross the street!

 

[BuddyRey]

Why do these people have to wear their perversion on their sleeve?

What does it say about us when we are so accepting of homosexuality but demand that 911 truthers stay in the closet?....think about that one!

Our problems as a nation run much deeper than a lack of understanding about Austrian Economics. ..The real cancer is moral degradation....Adultery, promiscuity, acceptance of homosexuality, illegitimacy etc.

So...it's alright to question government when they lie to us, but not alright to question millennia-old social norms when they have no basis in objective morality or cease to be relevant for a constantly evolving people? Ok...gotcha.

/sarcasm

Seriously, don't be a hypocrite. It's alright to be a truther, just as it's alright to be gay. The mantra of "Question Everything" that we liberty-folk are constantly trying to apply to government applies no less to religion.

 

[CapitalistRadical]

Something tells me people outraged at moral degradation would be horrified by widespread polygamy, even though all the patriarchs of the Bible engaged in it.

 

[pcosmar]

No , I believe my own eyes and ears.

I SAW terrorists fly planes into buildings.

I heard Al-Queda admit they did it , and explain in detail how the plan was carried out, backed by evidence.

Pretty simple.
.

Bunny Poop.

You saw NOTHING airplanes on TV. nothing else.
You heard what some talking head on TV said they said.


you are pretty simple.

 

[MelissaWV]

No , I believe my own eyes and ears.

I SAW terrorists fly planes fly into buildings.

I heard Al-Queda admit they did it , and explain in detail how the plan was carried out, backed by evidence.

Pretty simple.

To make these huge leaps of faith from pieces of speculation to pieces of circumstancial evidence , and patch it all together and claim it as fact, takes an idiot. I'm sorry.

Fixed.

I don't think it's fair to discount out of hand the notion that the people at the helm were other than who we've been told they are. I also don't think it's sane to claim to know 100% who they were, what their agenda was, who hired them, and some of the other stuff swirling around the internet.

Somewhere in between lies objectivity.

I doubt we're ever going to know precisely what happened to the satisfaction of everyone. It's one of those things like Roswell at this point. You know, the Government could come out and say they were testing secret weaponry there, and even show you the weaponry/aircraft, and there would still be people thinking it was aliens. They could say it was aliens, and someone would question why they came out with that "truth" now, and what was REALLY going on, and it can't be trusted. Any explanation is going to leave many people dissatisfied.

I'm confused still as to what gays have to do with 9/11.