RIP: Charlie Kirk Assassinated at Event in Utah

[Occam's Banana]

Hasan Piker - a.k.a. "Cenk's Nephew", and one of the stupidest people on the Internet - chimes in:

 

[acptulsa]

Any half-good shooter could make a 175 yard head shot with that.

The fact that it was a neck shot could be a sign it wasn't a pro. Could also mean that canvas pergola got in the way, too.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/esrtweet/status/1966298800311460347

On the question of whether Kirk's killer was a pro:

A military sniper discussing the different facets has pointed out that a professional would never wear a black outfit along the silhouette of a rooftop, that’s extremely exposed. He would have taken the shot from inside of a building to maximize his odds of getting away.

Yeah, also you probably aren't going to be skulking around on rooftops if your doctrine incorporates that drone surveillance is a thing.

So, once again, this assassin is probably not a pro. He was probably imitating, relatively successfully, behaviors he'd seen in movies and videogames.

 

[acptulsa]

He would have taken the shot from inside of a building to maximize his odds of getting away.

I originally theorized that the shot was taken from a roof because every building on that campus was obviously built in the last forty years.

Windows that open had disappeared from public buildings by then. Busting glass is a better way to attract attention than skulking around a roof.

 

[69360]

So....1) I notice that everyone he threw a hat to was white and they didn't seem to have a problem accepting the hats and 2) blacks who support MAGA at this point are grifters and tokens anyway.



Oh and 3) Do we know whether those hats were for sale or were being given away? I don't see a for sale sign. Just curious.

Just curious, what do you think of Hispanics who support Trump? Because there are a LOT of them. You can't dismiss them as tokens.

 

[Occam's Banana]

It's almost as if a lot of people on the left and the right have no compunctions about using (even murderous) force and power to impose their arbitrary wills and gratify their ad hoc desires, rather than to defend human liberty.

However, the vast majority of them have the State do it for them, because they don't have the balls to do it themselves.

 

[jmdrake]

Just curious, what do you think of Hispanics who support Trump? Because there are a LOT of them. You can't dismiss them as tokens.

Well...technically Nick Fuentes is Hispanic....but my understanding is that he no longer supports Trump because Trump isn't deporting enough people, and the lack of release of the Epstein files and Trump has offered 600K spots for Chinese students and Trump is supporting amnesty for certain groups of illegal immigrants and Trump is supporting Israel in its conflict with Israel and Trump bombed Iran on behalf of Israel...

So I guess the real question is...why does ANYBODY support Trump? I don't know.

 

[acptulsa]

I was talking about the squad of yachts bringing aid to Gaza. Whatever Israel is about to do to them will require a diversion. Then there's this...

 

[69360]

Well...technically Nick Fuentes is Hispanic....but my understanding is that he no longer supports Trump because Trump isn't deporting enough people, and the lack of release of the Epstein files and Trump has offered 600K spots for Chinese students and Trump is supporting amnesty for certain groups of illegal immigrants and Trump is supporting Israel in its conflict with Israel and Trump bombed Iran on behalf of Israel...

So I guess the real question is...why does ANYBODY support Trump? I don't know.

As somebody who did not vote for Trump the first two times but did the last, my answer is there was no reasonable alternative.

You dodged my question.

 

[acptulsa]

Transgender messaging engraved in the cartridges. Seriously?

What transgender has both the skills and the balls to engrave a live round? We all know Mossad agents are capable of that.

I'm having trouble even picturing a tranny owning a Dremel.

 

[ClaytonB]

Any half-good shooter could make a 175 yard head shot with that.

This may be the single best explanation so far -- newbie reflex often causes a "jerk down" when pulling the trigger due to reflexive anticipation of the recoil. Low and to the left because the left support pulls down while firing offhand. This appears to have been prone but if you've been drilling that reflex all along without a competent instructor to correct it, your support hand might jerk forward from that reflex even prone and cause the barrel to drop. Even 1mm drop would be a few inches low at 150 yards.

 

[ClaytonB]

Transgender messaging engraved in the cartridges. Seriously?

What transgender has both the skills and the balls to engrave a live round? We all know Mossad agents are capable of that.

It's obvious "cop mind"

Only people who love in a cop-movie headspace 24x7 can think that "rounds engraved with transgender messaging" is a real thing. It's not weird enough to be real. "Reality is stranger than fiction." The PSYOP script-writers never learn that basic lesson...

 

[acptulsa]

This may be the single best explanation so far -- newbie reflex often causes a "jerk down" when pulling the trigger due to reflexive anticipation of the recoil.

I believe in the KISS principle.

Tent. There was a metal-framed canopy over his head

 

[jmdrake]

As somebody who did not vote for Trump the first two times but did the last, my answer is there was no reasonable alternative.

You dodged my question.

Your question was based on the flawed premise that Trump still has strong support among Hispanics.

Donald Trump's popularity with Hispanics plummets: Survey

Donald Trump's standing with Hispanic voters has weakened over the summer.

www.newsweek.com

 

[acptulsa]

Only people who live in a cop-movie headspace 24x7 can think that "rounds engraved with transgender messaging" is a real thing.

Them, and people who never stop and think for themselves.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Be honest, when McCain dropped dead, I wasn't upset.

I've got almost 20 years here and over 117000 posts.

I can honestly not recall a single instance where I gloated and cheered over the death of a political nemesis, even someone as vile as say, Janet Reno, or John McPain.

I'm not signaling virtuous, or saying that you did, I'm just pointing out I think it's bad juju to do so.

People like this (see below) purely suck.

And more importantly, you had better believe them when they say, they will kill you. They will kill you, they will shoot your kids in church, they will smother and poison your elderly and infirm, they will beat your infants in their care.

When they achieve total political power, they will kill you en masse.

The only question at this point is: are "we" going to do anything to try and save ourselves, or just stand on the deck of the sinking vessel as the band plays "Nearer my God to Thee", sipping brandy and fine cigars as we cease to be.

Certainly would not be the first time in human history a powerful and expansive civilization disappears almost overnight.

 

[69360]

Your question was based on the flawed premise that Trump still has strong support among Hispanics.

Donald Trump's popularity with Hispanics plummets: Survey

Donald Trump's standing with Hispanic voters has weakened over the summer.

www.newsweek.com

It's not flawed. I live in Florida and see it every day. The legal Hispanics still support Trump in MUCH more than token numbers. Sure some are pissed about the ICE raids. But the ones who came the right way are largely very conservative and like Trump.

Call me a racist MAGA or whatever now. I'm not in any way. I'm embarrased that Trump is the best this country can do for leadership. That doesn't make my statement not true.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/SRCHicks/status/1966283300093243433

I agree there’s a disturbing authoritarian tilt on the Right both in rhetoric and official action.

Yet I wonder: What if it were a prominent Leftist who had been shot while speaking at a public event?

So it is significant to me that businesses today did not board up their windows in anticipation of angry riots and mass destruction.

Not a philosophical point about whether Left or Right is more violent in theory. Just a journalistic observation assessing the state of their movements.

 

[ClaytonB]

I believe in the KISS principle.

Tent. There was a metal-framed canopy over his head

It's one possibility.

Part of the problem of Clown World is that the "common sense" distribution over possible explanations doesn't work anymore. Prior to about 2014, it was possible to "reason through" someone's likely motives and you could build a really accurate picture of what probably happened, even from fairly scant evidence, Sherlock Holmes style. Not anymore. Clown World is an objectively insane space. Human behavior in this place is generally incoherent and unintelligible.

 

[69360]

I've got almost 20 years here and over 117000 posts.

I can honestly not recall a single instance where I gloated and cheered over the death of a political nemesis, even someone as vile as say, Janet Reno, or John McPain.

I'm not signaling virtuous, or that you did, I'm just pointing out I think it's bad juju to do so.

People like this (see below) purely suck.

And more importantly, you had better believe them when they say, they will kill you. They will kill you, they will shoot your kids in church, they will smother and poison your elderly and infirm, they will beat your infants in their care.

When they achieve total political power, they will kill you en masse.

The only question at this point is: are "we" going to do anything to try and save ourselves, or just stand on the deck of the sinking vessel as the band plays "Near my God to Thee", sipping brandy and fine cigars as we cease to be.

Certainly would be not the first time in human history a powerful and expansive civilization disappears almost overnight.

I dispute that. Because by and large the conservatives have shown incredible restraint. If this ever devolved into a shooting civil war the liberals would be wiped out en masse. That tipping point hasn't been reached and probably never will.

Realistically I think the liberals have overplayed their hand and the balance is shifting back conservative. 20 somethings now are the most conservative since the greatest generation.