Right-Wing Obtuseness on Immigration

[PAF]

Globalist corporatarians selling their country and liberty for a fistful of dollars. (which they will have taken from them by those they sell their souls to)

Choose between the two:

Are you a Closet Democrat, or an out in the open one?

The Gradual Leftward Shift in US Politics and Economy

 

[jmdrake]

Globalist corporatarians selling their country and liberty for a fistful of dollars. (which they will have taken from them by those they sell their souls to)

Gee. If there was only a presidential candidate who would make the money issue front and center of the immigration debate:



Rand Paul/Thomas Massie 2028.

It's not like you have to convince a majority of Americans on the immigration issue:



And of course foreign policy that creates the migration crises around the worldl needs to be address.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are advocating, or at least making a case, for government imposed minimum wage on both employer and employee, negating contract rights between said employer/employee. If so, what wage do you determine should be set? When milk is priced at $19.99/gallon? $29.99/gallon?

You are wrong. And you are straw-manning and deflecting.

You wanted to follow the money, I followed the money. You just don't like the answer.

 

[PAF]

You are wrong. And you are straw-manning and deflecting.

You wanted to follow the money, I followed the money. You just don't like the answer.

I followed the money. Vance, not me, is the one who called for a $20 "minimum wage", so why get upset at me?

The Gradual Leftward Shift in US Politics and Economy

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Follow the money indeed. The first waves of massive immigration were required to conquer, settle, and hold the entirety of what is now the US. It was a great replacement of the native population. This was profitable for many, more for some than others.

Then immigration was required for cheap labor. This was profitable for many, more for some than others.

Then immigration was required for cheap labor, ignorant votes, and and to divide the US. This was profitable for many, more for some than others.

Then the US was no more, and the glorious one world government took full control. Migration and movement became very tightly controlled. Only those with a high enough social credit score were allowed to move or travel. This was profitable for many, more for some than others.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

One addition. Migration will be used in the glorious one world order as a punishment, similar to how it is used to today. Any village, town, region, city or general area that is seen as a problem for TPTB will be flooded with undesirable migrants. Whether simple poor people with a different culture, or criminals or mental patients, this punishment will continue.

Prisons and mental hospitals are expensive to maintain, and emptying them to punish defiant populations kills two birds with one stone. Follow the money.

 

[PAF]

One addition. Migration will be used in the glorious one world order as a punishment, similar to how it is used to today. Any village, town, region, city or general area that is seen as a problem for TPTB will be flooded with undesirable migrants. Whether simple poor people with a different culture, or criminals or mental patients, this punishment will continue.

Prisons and mental hospitals are expensive to maintain, and emptying them to punish defiant populations kills two birds with one stone. Follow the money.

Yes, of course. But Trump's plan to build up Security Apparatus for his Contractor Friends won't do a thing to solve the problem, but only make it worse for us in spending on that revolving door. Only defunding those org's will do the trick, while at the same time preserving our Bill of Rights.

What's so hard to understand?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Gee. If there was only a presidential candidate who would make the money issue front and center of the immigration debate:



...

Great interview from Ron, as usual. Watters was even pretty good, until he went a little neocon with the "isolationist" canard.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, of course. But Trump's plan to build up Security Apparatus for his Contractor Friends won't do a thing to solve the problem, but only make it worse for us in spending on that revolving door. Only defunding those org's will do the trick, while at the same time preserving our Bill of Rights.

What's so hard to understand?

True. Not just Trump but Biden as well. Both sides support the same "solution" and claim the other side is just playing politics. Nobody talks about the money.

https://truthout.org/articles/biden...rder-wall-but-proposing-his-own-virtual-wall/

President Joe Biden signed a number of immigration-related executive actions Tuesday continuing his reversals of former President Donald Trump’s harsh policies toward undocumented immigrants, asylum seekers, and refugees as part the new administration’s effort to pursue a more humanitarian approach to immigration and border enforcement.

However, at least one of Biden’s proposals suggests that while he rejects Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” approach, he favors a different kind of “wall”: a ramping up of technology-driven surveillance at the border.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...380490-b0ac-11ea-a567-6172530208bd_story.html

Trump administration hires tech firm to build a virtual border wall, an idea Democrats have praised
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[Brian4Liberty]

I followed the money. Vance, not me, is the one who called for a $20 "minimum wage", so why get upset at me?

The Gradual Leftward Shift in US Politics and Economy

Yes, of course. But Trump's plan to build up Security Apparatus for his Contractor Friends won't do a thing to solve the problem, but only make it worse for us in spending on that revolving door. Only defunding those org's will do the trick, while at the same time preserving our Bill of Rights.

What's so hard to understand?

Those would be questions for Trump/Vance or their surrogates.

 

[PAF]

Those would be questions for Trump/Vance or their surrogates.

They would just spin it using "republican jargon" so I wouldn't expect much of an answer lol.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

True. Not just Trump but Biden as well. Both sides support the same "solution" and claim the other side is just playing politics. Nobody talks about the money.

https://truthout.org/articles/biden...rder-wall-but-proposing-his-own-virtual-wall/

President Joe Biden signed a number of immigration-related executive actions Tuesday continuing his reversals of former President Donald Trump’s harsh policies toward undocumented immigrants, asylum seekers, and refugees as part the new administration’s effort to pursue a more humanitarian approach to immigration and border enforcement.

However, at least one of Biden’s proposals suggests that while he rejects Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” approach, he favors a different kind of “wall”: a ramping up of technology-driven surveillance at the border.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...380490-b0ac-11ea-a567-6172530208bd_story.html

Trump administration hires tech firm to build a virtual border wall, an idea Democrats have praised
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This is analogous to the crime problem. Tired of break-ins and burglaries? Get a better front door and alarm system.

Sorry government, that is not the answer or the problem. The problem is criminals and criminals activity. Criminal mentality which is fostered and encouraged, lack of enforcement of laws, lack of prosecution, lack of consequences. The problem is a corrupt state.

 

[PAF]

This is analogous to the crime problem. Tired of break-ins and burglaries? Get a better front door and alarm system.

Sorry government, that is not the answer or the problem. The problem is criminals and criminals activity. Criminal mentality which is fostered and encouraged, lack of enforcement of laws, lack of prosecution, lack of consequences. The problem is a corrupt state.

There is huge, big money in that. Create the problem by using tax dollars to being them here, grow government by hiring DHS and other which overwhelm the courts, then build more courts and walls, eVerify and virtual apparatus/spy cameras on every block in order to line the pockets of the Contractors. Rinse and repeat.

If government didn't create the problem, the problem wouldn't exist, and people would come and go naturally without much of an issue. For those who break the law [crime against person/property], there are already laws on the books and they should get their day in court according to the Bill of Rights.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There is huge, big money in that. Create the problem by using tax dollars to being them here, grow government by hiring DHS and other which overwhelm the courts, then build more courts and walls, eVerify and virtual apparatus/spy cameras on every block in order to line the pockets of the Contractors. Rinse and repeat.

If government didn't create the problem, the problem wouldn't exist, and people would come and go naturally without much of an issue. For those who break the law [crime against person/property], there are already laws on the books and they should get their day in court according to the Bill of Rights.

Still using the burglary analogy, what you are proposing is that if there was no government, there would be no burglaries.

 

[acptulsa]

Still using the burglary analogy, what you are proposing is that if there was no government, there would be no burglaries.

He wasn't using an analogy. He was just giving one example of how existing laws could deal with the problems some immigrants cause.

At the very least you must admit that the scam behind the deliberate importation of people directly from foreign prisons is benefitting government, as well as getting it kickbacks from industries that want to drive down wages.

 

[PAF]

Still using the burglary analogy, what you are proposing is that if there was no government, there would be no burglaries.

lol... well, you know my position on government [the state].

But, taking into account "reality", since government [the state] does exist, I would hope that more people who pay taxes would wake up to the fact that government/private contractors are the one who create the very [overwhelming immigration] problem, and in an effort to feed their families and put more of their own money back into their pockets, they would demand a stop to the "revolving door". But, I guess expecting that isn't a reality either. For most Americans, it's easier to blame the "other side" [even though both sides and contractors are complicit], pay more in taxes and forfeit their Bill of Rights in favor of a police-state. It's human nature among the stoopid, I guess.

 

[PAF]

He wasn't using an analogy. He was just giving one example of how existing laws could deal with the problems some immigrants cause.

At the very least you must admit that the scam behind the deliberate importation of people directly from foreign prisons is benefitting government, as well as getting it kickbacks from industries that want to drive down wages.

Yep.

 

[jmdrake]

This is analogous to the crime problem. Tired of break-ins and burglaries? Get a better front door and alarm system.

Sorry government, that is not the answer or the problem. The problem is criminals and criminals activity. Criminal mentality which is fostered and encouraged, lack of enforcement of laws, lack of prosecution, lack of consequences. The problem is a corrupt state.

So.....if you're the one selling meth to my neighborhood and your only response is to go into the business of selling alarms and locks as opposed to, I don't know stop selling meth I should be thankful to you for protecting me from the methheads you created instead of first running you out of town?

Here's something nobody is considering. Haiti was one of the countries that rejected COVID vaccines and yet had one of the lowest COVID death rates in the world. Yet, less than a year later, the president of Haiti was assassinated by a gorup of assassins that included a U.S. DEA informatant. They got the presidential guard to stand down by announcing themselves as DEA. Why is the U.S. DEA operating outside the United States anyway? And now the gangs terrorizing neighborhoods in Haiti are being armed with M16s, not AR15, but military M16s from the U.S. Israel can figure out how to bomb Hezbollah through pagers but the U.S. can't figure out who's arming people too poor to feed themselvers?

 

[jmdrake]

Still using the burglary analogy, what you are proposing is that if there was no government, there would be no burglaries.

Why use such a poor analogy? This isn't a situation where there "is no government." This is a situation where the government created the problem and now the government solution 1) costs more money and 2) restricts your freedom. Meanwhile neither of the 4 main people running for the positions of president and vice president have said a damn thing about the problem they helped create with their welfare state / warfare state.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So.....if you're the one selling meth to my neighborhood and your only response is to go into the business of selling alarms and locks as opposed to, I don't know stop selling meth I should be thankful to you for protecting me from the methheads you created instead of first running you out of town?
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I was agreeing with you.

Government is allowing, encouraging and funding the immigration. The border wall solution is ridiculous, just the same as buying a better lock when the govt is allowing burglary to flourish.

 

[jmdrake]

I was agreeing with you.

Government is allowing, encouraging and funding the immigration. The border wall solution is ridiculous, just the same as buying a better lock when the govt is allowing burglary to flourish.

Ah. My bad. Good analogy!