Rick Santorum’s end game (and why it matters) [Is it time to end the show ?]

[nedomedo]

Good. Romney winning = LEGIT WIN for Dr. Paul (since he's the only one who helped him and has done more for Romney than anyone, Chris Christie included). I have no doubts that Romney will "concede" to Ron's demands in order to win his (and our) support.

I honestly don't understand why more of us are happy about this??

Our job between now and the convention should be to win Ron the strongest "hand" possible so that Romney can have cover to give Ron his due.

Sorry dude but that is the most moronic thing I have heard said on these boards? Were you serious at all?

Don't you get it?

 

[Ivash]

Exactly. And nonstop analysis of Romney's weaknesses and his lack of conservative credentials.

But both of those groups will come together like sheep for Romney. The libertarian faction will not.

After my time here I am extremely interested to see how many libertarians make their voices heard in the general (preferably by voting third party so it can be easily measured).

And for all that I don't think the media will just 'turn' on Romney. They want a competitive race after all; no one will pay attention to a blow out.

 

[coffeewithchess]

After my time here I am extremely interested to see how many libertarians make their voices heard in the general (preferably by voting third party so it can be easily measured).

And for all that I don't think the media will just 'turn' on Romney. They want a competitive race after all; no one will pay attention to a blow out.

I would say just look at past elections, I doubt much will change from them. As for "turning" on Romney, you are correct...media is now about ratings, not actually delivering news. If they can keep the carrot dangling somehow all the way up until the election, "Will we get an October surprise...let's ask our 30 panelists, for the next 30 days!"
November - "Well, the only thing we learned in October, is that our panelists sure do waste a lot of hotair, but hey...the advertisers are still paying! Could there be a November surprise...what would it take for Romney to runaway with this thing? Will Mitt Romney's campaign release proof that President Obama is not a citizen, and the birth certificate was fake? Up next to discuss these intriguing topics...DONALD TRUMP! The man who is solely responsible for getting President Obama to release his certificate."

 

[Vanilluxe]

If 2012 did not change much from 2008, I can see their will be a stagnation in the revolution and ultimately the long and hard fall and the cycle continues.

 

[TIMB0B]

Just wondering if you have hacked my computer, and know the current video I have in the works?

Is it about Media Dependency?

 

[rockerrockstar]

I think you guys may be right. The Media has been leaving Ron Paul out of the minds of the viewers by not mentioning him on purpose. They want them to forget he is still in the race. They also like to prop up their flavor of the month candidates like Cain, Gingrich, then Santorum. They gave Ron Paul a token amount of time on air before they decided to go back to their policy of not mentioning him and giving him less time in debates, etc...

Obviously the are going to pressure Santorum and Gigrich to drop out so Romeny has a better chance of getting enough delegates. They know Ron Paul will not drop out if he thinks there is a chance for a brokered convention.

I learned this time around for this race that the media can manipulate the voters big time. The chairman can cheat the voters in the caucuses. We need to make sure that the party rules include letting us video tape and record the caucuses. There should be transparency to promote fairness.

The status qo will do everything it can to prevent change. Big government protects it self from shrinking. They don't want a President that could take their power away.

 

[Agorism]

Thing is that Jeb Bush and Dole and Krauthammer, etc were never going to be supporting him anyways. Although his latest gaffes piss them off more, they weren't voting Santorum to begin with...

 

[coffeewithchess]

Is it about Media Dependency?

Not media dependency...well, it depends what you mean by "media" I guess.

 

[anaconda]

If 2012 did not change much from 2008, I can see their will be a stagnation in the revolution

300% more votes. Nationwide infiltration of state and county positions. An audit the Fed bill with over 300 cosponsors. A Ron Paul Revolutionary in the U.S. Senate. Crushing the 18-30 vote segment. Justin Amash. Mike Lee. Things have most definitely changed from 2008. A sustained 300% growth rate probably wins the White House in 2016.

 

[anaconda]

I don't think the media will just 'turn' on Romney.

They won't "turn" on him per se. But they will have to explain his shitty poll numbers and make that into some kind of story of itself.

 

[parocks]

Good. Romney winning = LEGIT WIN for Dr. Paul (since he's the only one who helped him and has done more for Romney than anyone, Chris Christie included). I have no doubts that Romney will "concede" to Ron's demands in order to win his (and our) support.

I honestly don't understand why more of us are happy about this??

Our job between now and the convention should be to win Ron the strongest "hand" possible so that Romney can have cover to give Ron his due.

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[Liberty74]

I'm willing to bet several thousand dollars that if Santorum and Gingrich drop out that Romney will just waltz through the rest of the nomination without any problem. I highly doubt that people will turn to Dr. Paul as the 'not-Romney'; they haven't before, so why would they now?

They won't because Ron and the campaign have not dealt with a serious problem we have. And that is Ron's unfavorables within the base which is 50-60%. It was 65% in SC. No one can win with those numbers.

 

[anewvoice]

Frankly I'm surprised it has taken this long for the call for unity. Last time around nobody really liked McCain either but they united behind him. It'll be interesting to see what does happen when Grinch and Santa are told to get in line, which they will.

The serious consideration that Santorum has received as a candidate for the GOP I feel has damaged the party beyond reparation. Just imagine Biden 2016, same idea.

 

[smithtg]

these other guys dropping out just makes it like 2008 again with Romney instead of McCain. We all know they are establishment neocons and will be told to "get in line" far before the convention. They will go on a one day apology tour and then start hamming it up with mittens on an obama hating tour. Its all a farce/charade. Even if for some reason they hang around to the convention, they will 'get in line' and make their delegates line up behind Mitt

just sayin'

 

[fisharmor]

I have no doubts that Romney will "concede" to Ron's demands in order to win his (and our) support.

I honestly don't understand why more of us are happy about this??

If Ron Paul could deliver our votes, he could tell Mitt Romney to eat live human fetuses on prime time TV that he paid for out of his own pocket for a whole week and Mitt would agree to do it.
And then when the time came to do it, TV would mysteriously play a MASH reunion show instead, and nobody would notice.
If Ron Paul told Mitt Romney he would deliver all our votes for a single 2012 US Penny, Mitt would agree to it.
And he wouldn't even hand over the penny.
This is all pretty well known - and it's the exact reason why Paul cannot deliver our votes to Romney.

Frankly I'm surprised it has taken this long for the call for unity. Last time around nobody really liked McCain either but they united behind him. It'll be interesting to see what does happen when Grinch and Santa are told to get in line, which they will.

The serious consideration that Santorum has received as a candidate for the GOP I feel has damaged the party beyond reparation. Just imagine Biden 2016, same idea.

I totally agree. The entire country is coming apart at the seams and bringing down the world's economy with it, during the biggest revolution in information (and truth!) exchange since Guttenberg.... and the best they can come up with is "we're coming for your birth control pills".
You all need to be more like anaconda. In the midst of the Republican Party completely disintegrating, we're staging a coup.

 

[Ivash]

300% more votes. Nationwide infiltration of state and county positions. An audit the Fed bill with over 300 cosponsors. A Ron Paul Revolutionary in the U.S. Senate. Crushing the 18-30 vote segment. Justin Amash. Mike Lee. Things have most definitely changed from 2008. A sustained 300% growth rate probably wins the White House in 2016.

Aye, I'm not even a supporter of Dr. Paul and I'd say that libertarians have accomplished a lot during this election cycle. I'm pretty certain you won't take the Presidency in 2016, but if you continue to grow you'll be quite a force for 2020.

They won't because Ron and the campaign have not dealt with a serious problem we have. And that is Ron's unfavorables within the base which is 50-60%. It was 65% in SC. No one can win with those numbers.

Obviously. If there is a libertarian President, it will not be Dr. Paul. It might be Paul's successor (maybe his son?).

 

[Aratus]

i keep on thinking rep. newt won't drop but senator rick will as
more of the "W" people obscene~ly find the rolling bandwagon.

 

[invisible]

If santorum drops out, that would create quite a nasty mess. I'd much prefer a brokered convention rather than have romney gain a lock on the nomination.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, we'll see. If Santorum and Gingrich drop out I think everyone will turn their focus to the general election. I think the 'deep divide' in the GOP is between people who aren't interested in social issues and those who are, rather than libertarians and everyone else.



Haha, I reject being called a 'troll'. I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but a troll wouldn't admit that straight up- he'd simply pretend to be a supporter while actively trolling everyone. I just say what I believe.

Yes, and it is clear what your goal is.

Get rid of this troll.

 

[anaconda]

Aye, I'm not even a supporter of Dr. Paul and I'd say that libertarians have accomplished a lot during this election cycle.

So I'm curious as to why you said earlier that "not much has changed from 2008."