Richard Viguerie: Ron Paul 'Shocking and Disappointing;'

[Sandra]

Young on Iran:

The Iranian regime’s record on human rights, its links to terrorist groups such as Lebanese Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and its well-documented attitude towards Israel are outrageous. I am continuing to urge Congress to make strong gestures to the Iranian regime regarding its treatment of its citizens.



I have serious concerns about the nature of Iran’s nuclear activities, and share international concern that the aims of the Iranian nuclear program are not exclusively peaceful. I will continue to support the international community’s efforts to resolve the issue through diplomacy. It is important to place the maximum pressure on Iran to return to meaningful negotiations about its nuclear ambitions and to fully meet the requirements of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). I welcome the June 2006 initiative put forward by Germany and the five permanent members of the Security Council, which offers Iran a wide-ranging basis for negotiations and a positive future relationship, in return for the suspension of its nuclear enrichment program and a return to meaningful negotiations.



Furthermore, I will support measures against Iran if it fails to comply with the Security Council. These should include banning all international nuclear co-operations with Iran, halting the sale of dual-use nuclear technology and military technology to it, and prohibiting new international investment in oil and gas projects in the country. The United States remains at the forefront of efforts to generate and maintain consensus over Iran. We hope that the united front that the permanent members of the Security Council have shown will be maintained now that we are approaching a critical juncture in our dealings with Iran.

You failed to counter.

 

[kylejack]

Okay gang....many of you defending the earmarks probably haven't seen the earmark requests themselves with RP's signature....here you go

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/allpolitics/0706/popup.congress.earmarks/pdfs/tx.14.paul.pdf

The TTC earmark request is page 20 of this PDF.

 

[kylejack]

you're obviously a dhs psy-ops troll sent to convince us ron paul isn't the messiah and that rainbows in the water supply is ok.

lmao

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well..."earmarks" I consider to be a false flag. The politicans blame the earmarks for crazy spending rather than the TRUTH. I don't consider earmarks the culpret. After all, it's the taxpayers money and why not get them some of that back? The real culpret is the nutty printing of money by the Fed. Ron Paul votes no to maintain his voting record...because although I"m sure he doesn't agree with all the taxation..why not get some of his voters money back? Tones

 

[Sandra]

I told you, you're cut off until you provide a source for your claim that Congress members are required by law to submit earmark requests (hint: they're not).

You made the claim, buddy. Your ball.

 

[angelatc]

Would take some time...I'll do a little googling

Well apparently my Google skills aren't up to snuff. No surprise there, but I'd appreciate it if you can help.

 

[phree]

Give us a source or shut up! You have made so many claims and when asked for a source, you change the subject. You are proving yourself a troll.

And you're a Koolaid junkie that promotes the idea that Young is right on foreign policy.

 

[klamath]

Ron Paul also submitted an earmark request for a portion of the Trans-Texas Corridor.

I had some respect for you but it seems you are posting a lot of half truths and refuse to post credible sources when asked.
Where is the smoking gun that shows RP specifically earmarked 10 million for 1 company?
Where is the smoking gun that shows RP earmarked money to the trans Texas corridor and not funds to improve some section of a freeway that might become part of the corridor?

 

[acptulsa]

So, Dr. Paul inserts earmarks in spending bills before he votes against them. Furthermore, he seems to be willing to endorse candidates who appear to be moving the right direction in their thinking, as opposed to not endorsing any incumbents at all. Therefore, he's not perfect. Ergo, we should all give up on getting honest people into office and stay home and shut up.

I'm actually rather proud we've reduced the trolls to this. They seem to be fighting the "cult of personality". I really don't know why they think Dr. Paul is charismatic enough to be the center of a "cult of personality", but it is funny to watch them attempt to dismantle this phantom "cult".

 

[kylejack]

You made the claim, buddy. Your ball.

Well those of us who have been discussing this since May of last year are well aware of it, sorry if you're new to the discussion, but anyway I cited above.

 

[kylejack]

I had some respect for you but it seems you are posting a lot of half truths and refuse to post credible sources when asked.
Where is the smoking gun that shows RP specifically earmarked 10 million for 1 company?
Where is the smoking gun that shows RP earmarked money to the trans Texas corridor and not funds to improve some section of a freeway that might become part of the corridor?

I said a portion.

 

[acptulsa]

Well those of us who have been discussing this since May of last year are well aware of it, sorry if you're new to the discussion, but anyway I cited above.

That's right, folks, he has seniority. His arguments have no basis and he admitted he's been trolling, but he's been trolling a long time and has seniority. So show respect!!

 

[phree]

So, Dr. Paul inserts earmarks in spending bills before he votes against them. Furthermore, he seems to be willing to endorse candidates who appear to be moving the right direction in their thinking, as opposed to not endorsing any incumbents at all. Therefore, he's not perfect. Ergo, we should all give up on getting honest people into office and stay home and shut up.

I'm actually rather proud we've reduced the trolls to this. They seem to be fighting the "cult of personality". I really don't know why they think Dr. Paul is charismatic enough to be the center of a "cult of personality", but it is funny to watch them attempt to dismantle this phantom "cult".

Bullshit. It would be better to stick to principles than endorse a typical politician like Young. Questioning RP's decisions does not make me a troll, it makes me a critical and objective thinker. Actually your behavior is more trollish.

 

[Conza88]

People make up the stupidest shit in this forum to support Ron Paul's poor stance on earmarks.

 

[acptulsa]

Bullshit. It would be better to stick to principles than endorse a typical politician like Young. Questioning RP's decisions does not make me a troll, it makes me a critical and objective thinker.

I expressed my dissatisfaction with this endorsement earlier in the thread. I believe you're just arguing my point that this is no "cult of personality" that surrounds Dr. Paul.

Actually your behavior is more trollish.

Don't see it, myself. But, hey, whatever suits you.

 

[klamath]

Returning my tax dollars as a subsidy to a shrimp company is not good in any sense. The shrimp company did not pay 10 million in tax so they have no business getting back a ten million dollar subsidy at my expense.

I don't see "a portion" in this statement.

I give RP a low D on earmarks and not a F because he votes against the whole spending bill.

However since we are judging people on their mistakes I have to give you a solid F on what you did trolling on this and the other forum in Feb.

Don't ever run for office.

 

[kylejack]

I just noticed something, on page 44 of the PDF posted earlier, the earmark request is addressed to Murtha and....Don Young. So Young is the one approving some of these requests, I guess depending on the committee they come through.

 

[Sandra]

The TTC earmark request is page 20 of this PDF.

Liar! That is a request for existing I-69 improvements, NOT the TTC. SHOW us where he asked for funds for the TTC!

 

[phree]

You failed to counter.

Are you really that naive?

Here's Young's position again:

Young on Iran:

The Iranian regime’s record on human rights, its links to terrorist groups such as Lebanese Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and its well-documented attitude towards Israel are outrageous. I am continuing to urge Congress to make strong gestures to the Iranian regime regarding its treatment of its citizens.



I have serious concerns about the nature of Iran’s nuclear activities, and share international concern that the aims of the Iranian nuclear program are not exclusively peaceful. I will continue to support the international community’s efforts to resolve the issue through diplomacy. It is important to place the maximum pressure on Iran to return to meaningful negotiations about its nuclear ambitions and to fully meet the requirements of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). I welcome the June 2006 initiative put forward by Germany and the five permanent members of the Security Council, which offers Iran a wide-ranging basis for negotiations and a positive future relationship, in return for the suspension of its nuclear enrichment program and a return to meaningful negotiations.



Furthermore, I will support measures against Iran if it fails to comply with the Security Council. These should include banning all international nuclear co-operations with Iran, halting the sale of dual-use nuclear technology and military technology to it, and prohibiting new international investment in oil and gas projects in the country. The United States remains at the forefront of efforts to generate and maintain consensus over Iran. We hope that the united front that the permanent members of the Security Council have shown will be maintained now that we are approaching a critical juncture in our dealings with Iran.

And now the important parts only, this is where you see what actions a politician will really take:

I am continuing to urge Congress to make strong gestures to the Iranian regime regarding its treatment of its citizens.

This is against everything RP says about foreign relations.

Even worse:

I will support measures against Iran if it fails to comply with the Security Council. These should include banning all international nuclear co-operations with Iran, halting the sale of dual-use nuclear technology and military technology to it, and prohibiting new international investment in oil and gas projects in the country.

Do you even know what interventionism is? Do you know what sanctions are and RP's usual position on them?

Previously you highlighted the middle paragraph of Young's Iran statement which shows that you're easily confused by political rhetoric.

 

[acptulsa]

So Young is the one approving some of these requests...

Did you have a point?