Richard Gilbert: Plaintiffs Wanted So We Can Write-In Ron Paul in All 50 States!

(2) But, also, rules need to be followed. I would not join in on even a simple game that the rules are not solid on, much less an election for offices that make or execute rules/laws.

I read ^^^ and my first thought was "Why the hell not?" OK, this is out of the box/devils advocate type stuff, but sometimes playing with dynamic rules yields interesting results. A computer program is a set of rules, so I was instantly reminded of REDCODE/CORE WARS, as well as self-reproducing, self recognizing, self-healing and self modifying code. That and some early worm experiments.

CORE WARS is a programming game where you write a program as does the opposite player and you release them into a virtual memory pool where you can have no control of it. It then goes out and does what you told (programmed) it to do. Both programs take turns executing operations. The ultimate goal is to break your opponents program. This started out kind of like a game of "battleship" where you both have pegboards and ships and try to sink the opponents by calling out F6 or whatever, but in this case writing a location in memory. Then people started copying their programs so there were more than one running at once and all of your programs dying was less likely. Then they started identifying the other code and stealing instructions from it, wrapping it in their own code and seeing if it did anything interesting...

This eventually led to a field called evolutionary computing where you have a program that writes other programs and these programs are tested to see if they give the desired output. Some very fast algorithm have been discovered this way. Usually things that are completely non-intuitive to humans. An important lesson here is that you can paint yourself into a corner. The strategies or genetic code of what you are trying can hit an end branch and must be stepped back from 2-3 cycles sometimes in order to make future progress.

So what does this have to do with campaigning and the political fight? Quite a bit actually... I'm tossing it out there as a Gedankenexperiment. A perspective different than common to think about our current situation from. Remember when our "opposition" adopted what we call "4th generation warfare" and having a standing army was suddenly a detriment? Remember that many of the same mathematical formulas show up in very diverse fields. A good strategy might be predicting when the opposition is about to paint themselves into a corner or recognizing that they already have done so.

To get you started on this mindset:

As to case law or laws enacted by Congress, you can easily see that the country has painted itself into a corner everywhere! Each case/new law placed on the shoulders of a older law, and so on. I mean we have Corporate personhood because of a clerical error!

When we had a bunch of YAL volunteers last cycle and put them up in an unheated summer camp and someone came with the flu... What kind of a strategy/program were we running?

What about when Paul did his own show next door to debates he wasn't invited to? When he basically hijacked their media and audience and upstaged them? What kind of program?

When the RNC was breaking rules and our delegates responded and it went slightly viral and the media ran with some of it - what does that redcode program look like for both sides?

I'm just trying to get people to think about things differently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War

-t
 
Ron Paul is one of us, he represents us, therefore our write-in vote for Ron Paul is how we stand up and make our voices heard. Anyway, George Washington did not want to be president either.

No1butPaul, do what you think/feel is the best thing for you to do. I fully support it, and others (maybe me too) will be doing the same.

We spend an awful lot of time trying to defend what we want to do, around here. Why? This is the place where we can be who were are, without pressure. Wanna be a rockstar for liberty? Okay. Wanna run for office? Okay. Wanna support someone until there is no chance whatsoever even with a miracle they can win? Depends (what?)

Discussion on why to do something is a good thing. I enjoy opinions and facts being delivered in discussion. It's good to be able to see things from different points of view. But, a lot of times it becomes offense and defense type posts. Once it turns into that, then it is no longer constructive.

I think we are going to have to get to the point we just ignore the nay-sayers. And I'm not saying anyone is "only" a nay-sayer. Some are pro-stay-in-GOP but are nay-sayers about other things, some are pro-get-out-of-GOP and nay-sayers about pro-stay-in-GOP.

Can we just start respecting one another's differences in what we think about or want to do as individuals? Please?
 
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I could have sworn that I posted yesterday about the case being filed.. wonder which thread I put that in since it's not here.
*facepalm*
 
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Do you have any more input that you can give?

At this point our problem is not legal in nature it is organizational...Our imaginary lawyer cant prepare case for assault if delegate wasnt assaulted or prepare for x if plaintiff got nothing to do with situation x....

It makes no sense to jump to last step (writing lawsuit) without having any plaintiffs, evidence etc.

Except Gilbert won his delegates case, asking the court to confirm that all delegates are unbound. So he is one for one. NEWS UPDATE: CASE BEING FILED NOW, ALL 50 STATES REPRESENTED.

Thanks for update.

I wish good luck to Richard.

With lack of any progress it is becoming obvious that he is this movements best chance regarding lawsuit. Not because he is good (or bad) lawyer but because simple fact he is acting while entire grassroots are talking or not even that. I think he got a fair chance. Now he got more time and resources at his disposal. I know that many people are hostile toward him but I really am carefull not to say anything bad about him (and I could) because he is doing his best and doing it for free. That is more than I am doing and it would be (cant find correct word for it:evil, unethical...) from me to spit/criticize him without offering any real alternative or doing anything about it.
 
I am so hoping that this gets on the docket before the end of the month.. I'd even get new boots to go boots on the ground and spread the word. (the old boots make corns)
 
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@tweetamiracle We need volunteer process servers for SD WV and TX. Please find volunteers to bring the docs to their AG's office (to serve on Monday 9/24)
 
ruh roh...

Dear Plaintiffs,

We had many of our Committed Volunteer Process Servers who backed out or who have not returned phone calls to serve papers to the Atty Generals. We have these states that need to be served on Monday or these states will have to be dropped from the Lawsuit. There have been offers to pay for a professional server, but when we discussed this lawsuit, it had to be all volunteers who would participate. We compromised on one last week, but we cannot and will not compromise on any more, even though there have been generous offers.


So we need to see if one of you will take the time to print the docs, go down and serve your Atty General's office? Its simple, you just leave the papers at the front desk, asking the name of the person you are leaving them with and note the time. when you are done email me who that person and the time. Done!


You will need to print all the SACV docs from this link

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosmic-web.us%2Ffiles%2FAttachments_2012_09_30.zip&h=_AQHUGQkW





Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kentucy, Kansas, Massachusetts, Ohio, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Wyoming


Whatever state is not done by the end of the day will have to be dropped. so if you cant do it by no someone who will, please send them this info.


Thank you


Richard Gilbert and Pepper Draper
 
I just got this in my email

Dear Plaintiffs,

Richard has received information about the Judge's position on our argument of the Voting Right Act. We have successfully negotiated with 8 states to unconditionally count and record the write-in votes.

contact information was included for about half an hour from now


These are the states we have a full settlement with Iowa, New Hampshire, Oregon, Washington DC, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Maryland, Washington


Richard is asking for the Plaintiffs to be on this very short notice call, if you are able to discuss what we need to do moving forward.
 
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I have to say I know for a fact at least a some of those already counted write ins, NH, Iowa, and Washington (but only if it changes the results.) I don't know what he got that wasn't there, on those states, but maybe he will tell you on the phone.

I wish he'd let the CA plaintiffs be electors for Ron though, since that is a sure bet. But maybe he has his reasons not to....?
 
I have to say I know for a fact at least a some of those already counted write ins, NH, Iowa, and Washington (but only if it changes the results.) I don't know what he got that wasn't there, on those states, but maybe he will tell you on the phone.

I wish he'd let the CA plaintiffs be electors for Ron though, since that is a sure bet. But maybe he has his reasons not to....?

You mean he advised the plantiffs in CA _not_ to be delegates for the write-in?
 
ok.. I listened to Richard's remarks and attempted to ask a question. He did a rather lengthy dissortation. <--spelled that word 4 ways.. firefox still doesn't like it.

Evidently, some plaintiff posted the contact call information somewhere for non plaintiffs to call in - and one did.. talked over everybody else.. pissed Richard off (me too - hope it wasn't someone from this board)
Richard had to have the gang muted so he could read this guy raw - wasting time for the rest of us. I attempted several times to ask questions - two very short answer questions and could not get a word in edge wise - this turd called back after being told in no uncertain terms to get out - the call is for plaintiffs not the general public. I had to hang up as Richard ended his second tirade into the same guy.
I'm livid ATM..

general gist of the call Romney is evil.. we must defeat him at all costs. For a few minutes there I thought he was going to suggest voting for Obama. He said a few not so flattering things about GJ - but reeeeeeeeally laid into Romney.

As for the case.. it was hard to follow actual case information over rhetoric and non case experiences.. I think it's we have agreements with 8 states and possibly up to 12 by Tuesday of this week.
The states that have agreed to count RP votes - if won would total 270 electoral votes for RP against 206 for Romney. (Yes.. I wrote those numbers down) There was no mention about Obama winning any electoral votes.. not sure of how those figures came about.

The other thing case related was that the judge granted extensions (evidently illegally) so things in some states won't be taken care of in time for the election.

I guess I didn't completely understand the whole gist of the case - I thought this was not ONLY for this election for Ron Paul write in votes to count, but going forward, for all presidential elections in the future also for write in votes to be tallied and counted. From this call.. I did not get that impression.
 
I was (not so) amazed to find that out for such an ambiguous character, but Richard Gilbert has donated a lot of money to Democrats in the past (DNC, Obama, Franken, Bayh, Baldwin, Udall etc...). Take that info for what it's worth and go look @ the FEC records for Richard Gilbert in San Francisco if you don't believe me.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml
 
I am so confused... All he ever mentions is Romney as if the presidential race is Romney vs. Romney. I asked him about Obama once on one of his calls, why he doesn't ever lay into Obama (who at the time was projected to beat Romney) and I got no response other than the "Romney Crime Syndicate." I am not trying to be a sir negative but realistic... RP is not going to be president in 2012... I also don't know why he started saying GJ is NWO, etc. etc. People need to focus on winnable elections, there is little time.
 
I was (not so) amazed to find that out for such an ambiguous character, but Richard Gilbert has donated a lot of money to Democrats in the past (DNC, Obama, Franken, Bayh, Baldwin, Udall etc...). Take that info for what it's worth and go look @ the FEC records for Richard Gilbert in San Francisco if you don't believe me.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml

Not the same persons. Both are lawyers and both live in same area but not same persons.

I checked it out when original lawsuit was starting.
 
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