Rev. Wright, Dr. Paul, and a New Anti-Imperialist League

[mczerone]

I think starting a Political Umbrella group is a great idea, and inviting people as diverse as these is a great idea.

The mission statement needs to include "despite our otherwise conflicting ideas and beliefs, we come together under the unifying idea that we need to limit our foreign involvements, and live by the nonaggression principle"

A good way to start selling some ideas without having everybody subscribe to the whole package at once.

 

[Aratus]

i think "Wolfgang Bohringer" and "mczerone" both sense what i media maven sense... the "political umbrella" need not be tres
judgemental totally or doctrinaire, and it lets Dr. Ron Paul just might get on air with a few qualifiers! neatly and nicely enuff!!!

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

tony, I think you might be assuming incorrectly about the Rev's other positions. From everything I've read and heard, I would bet that the Rev is a lot more independent and self reliant like Malcom X or Farrakhan in his domestic politics than paternalistic state-socialists like Kucinich (but I could be wrong). And I wouldn't expect him to be for intervening in Africa or anywhere else like Obama/Brezenski want to either--which is why I thought that anti-imperialism would be our most common ground.

Have you listened to any of his "Are we serving God or Government?" sermon? The Rev. rocks!

 

[Cinderella]

a) Chem-bio weapons and stockpiles of HIV?

d) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally, is there evidence that it was done to conduct genocide?

e) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally to conduct genocide, what possible evidence is there that it was done to conduct genocide against minorities? (correlation != causation)

**adjusting tin foil hat**

AIDS was made by the US government as a tool to control population...did u kno that population control was the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the third world?? depopulation would be desirable in all third world countries where "black", "brown", and "yellow" people live....


***its a coincidence that the world health organization went into central africa in 1972, into an area known as the "AIDS Belt", and administered a smallpox vaccine to several thousand africans.....this was followed immediately by the first outbreak of AIDS on this planet....coincidence??????

another thing that isnt really mentioned is that the HEP B vaccine was given to several thousand homosexuals in NY and san francisco in 1978.....the fact is, every single person who recieved that vaccine contracted AIDS....that is what the first american victims of AIDS all had in common....

many doctors agree that the AIDS virus would never have occured spontaneously in nature....animal viruses cant jump species, as we are being told they did.....viruses cant jump species unless they are engineered to do so.....

we'll never be able to prove that Aids was developed to reduce populations of central africa, the black inner cities, drug users, prostitutes and homosexuals....i believe they will find a cure once they have exterminated billions of people......

i dont believe in the "coincidence theory" of history---i just cant......the CIA and the national security council are too "brilliant" and corrupt....they plan everything down to the smallest detail....




now feel free to bash my crazy thoughts......

 

[LT for the Truth]

with regards to whether Aids was created by Anglo-Americans, I would respond like Pastor Wright and ask if you have read Dr. Len Horowitz's writings. Here's the link. Heck, I don't agree with RP on everything, however, when he is correct, I try to spread the word.

http://len.healthyworldblog.com/ev/Symptom_of_a_Rigged_Election.html

 

[AFM]

I dont want to be associated with that creep

 

[sratiug]

(I was going to provide sources, but most are small snippets of his speeches - too much of a pain to describe exactly when he said it during his sermons; however, I linked to Google searches that show you exactly where they're at)

(I may be misinterpreting some of these, but I'm fairly confident about them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

• He believes that the Supreme Court is secretly a branch of the KKK.
• He believes that the US government invented HIV to conduct genocide against minorities.
• He is in favor of affirmative action (not a huge OMG!!!!!! factor, but definitely against everything a liberty-loving person stands for...)
• He believes the Tuskegee experiment infected black men with syphilis on purpose. (The Tuskegee experiment was weird/crazy/stupid/wrong, but it's pretty aluminum-foil-hat to think that they were purposefully infected)

Just to name a few....

Here is a link describing the British government payments for Sarin nerve gas experiments resulting in the death of a British pilot. I saw this story, I think on a History Channel documentary. A US CIA agent was "suicided" because they thought he was a threat to out the experiments. The CIA agents themselves were given LSD. How can anyone doubt the psychotic nature of government? Artificial entities have no conscience and no value system.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-6-1/42202.html

 

[apropos]

How could it possibly benefit the RP movement by associating itself with someone whose most well known statement is "God damn America"?

 

[Rhys]

I'm a Rev. Wright supporter. I support bringing him into the fold. Right or wrong, he has a point and shouldn't be ostracise's any more than we should be. America isn't holy, so anyone can ask to have it Damned for all I care. I like America and all, but she aint sacred. Besides, the bible proverbs say to damn everyone and their mother and isreal. Does that make the bible anti-semitic? How bout the people who wrote it? lol To me, it goes beyond helping Ron Paul get elected, and gets to the point of what we're fighting for. Besides, 20 million black voters on our side can't hurt!

 

[slamhead]

I'm a Rev. Wright supporter. I support bringing him into the fold. Right or wrong, he has a point and shouldn't be ostracise's any more than we should be. America isn't holy, so anyone can ask to have it Damned for all I care. I like America and all, but she aint sacred. Besides, the bible proverbs say to damn everyone and their mother and isreal. Does that make the bible anti-semitic? How bout the people who wrote it? lol To me, it goes beyond helping Ron Paul get elected, and gets to the point of what we're fighting for. Besides, 20 million black voters on our side can't hurt!

I don't see the point where he can help the Ron Paul movement. Other than holding a foreign policy of non intervention he is way in left field on other issues. He engages in collectivism of blacks against whites and is direct conflict with Dr. Paul.

 

[Aratus]

locals in D.C just might want to hear him speak... he mamaged to be very lucid with bill moyers

 

[Rhys]

I don't see the point where he can help the Ron Paul movement. Other than holding a foreign policy of non intervention he is way in left field on other issues. He engages in collectivism of blacks against whites and is direct conflict with Dr. Paul.

the part where we get 20 million black voters is where it helps us.

Besides that, I don't support him because I'm getting something out of it. I respect him for his bravery and honesty, the same way I do Ron Paul. Also, best of my knowledge, he's closer to us than Obama in issues. A lot of people are mad at Obama for distancing himself. You wont hear about that on the news, of course. That's because the narrative is people are upset about Wright. Saying what's really going on would make them report what's happening, instead of a "story". I know I lost respect for Obama and Hilary over all this. Not that I had ANY for Hilary anyway.

Also, I don't think he's black vs white... I think he's black which means he's oppressed.

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

How could it possibly benefit the RP movement by associating itself with someone whose most well known statement is "God damn America"?

I heard him answer that question pretty well at that National Press Club thing. He talked about how the old testament prophets' job was to deliver God's message of condemnation to the Israelites. And like the old testament prophets, Rev. Wright said his sermon offered a chance for repentance and reconciliation for America. This is a powerful message that compliments Dr. Paul's message and provides hope for forgiveness and salvation.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The equation between Alex Jones and Reverend Wright is false. The whole premise behind Jones' rants is to get people check his government and mainstream sources on his websites and videos, which back him up point for point. Paul's distancing himself from AJ overall hurt his campaign (well, it certainly didn't win Paul a single primary, or keep the media from marginalizing him).

But Wright, by contrast, makes casual overstatements without even attempting to source any claims. The main reason Wright was newsworthy at all was because of his 20 year relationship with Obama through his church. If Wright had been a mere staffer who mouthed off, he would have been fired on day one, end of story.

 

[Rhys]

The equation between Alex Jones and Reverend Wright is false. The whole premise behind Jones' rants is to get people check his government and mainstream sources on his websites and videos, which back him up point for point. Paul's distancing himself from AJ overall hurt his campaign (well, it certainly didn't win Paul a single primary, or keep the media from marginalizing him).

But Wright, by contrast, makes casual overstatements without even attempting to source any claims. The main reason Wright was newsworthy at all was because of his 20 year relationship with Obama through his church. If Wright had been a mere staffer who mouthed off, he would have been fired on day one, end of story.

lol weaksauce. you're just fishing for excuses. besides, RP never distanced from AJ as he should have cause AJ is nutz. Wright isn't nutz... you're just feeding into the MSM hype.

 

[salsero96]

If the Revolution doesn't reach out to and gain alliance from the left, (especially when they're doing our act better than us in some cases such as Rev. Wright) we're doomed. Let's make an alliance with Rev. Wright...

If Mr. Wright wanted to put his support behind Ron Paul, that would be one thing. But for "us" to reach out and make an "alliance" with him... That's just dumb.

When freedom minded people hear Ron Paul's message, they come to him! Ron Paul and/or the "Revolution" don't go to them. If Mr. Wright believed in Ron Paul's message, he would come on his own.

IMO Wright's beliefs aren't even close to those of Ron Paul or the "Revolution"

 

[Rhys]

If Mr. Wright wanted to put his support behind Ron Paul, that would be one thing. But for "us" to reach out and make an "alliance" with him... That's just dumb.

When freedom minded people hear Ron Paul's message, they come to him! Ron Paul and/or the "Revolution" don't go to them. If Mr. Wright believed in Ron Paul's message, he would come on his own.

IMO Wright's beliefs aren't even close to those of Ron Paul or the "Revolution"

I don't see why he shouldn't speak. It would be lots of press. shit loads. Obama's former paster now speaks at Ron Paul rally. Damn, talk about walking how you talk and getting in the news for it!!! some would be bad press, but it's not like we get good press ever! and one thing this group needs to learn is how to frame a debate. Look at hillbill. (s)he always frames the debate. (s)he framed the one we're having for God's sake. we can do that too, you know?

 

[Kade]

brandonyates, As I said, from what I can tell, Alex Jones' good ideas are mixed up with as many questionable ideas as the good Rev's, if not more, and Ron has no problem allying with him.

And regarding the Rev's "racism", most of the stuff that I've read and heard has been merely accurate and not racist. My biggest problem with the Rev. is his collectivist views regarding the U.S. as a whole more than racial collectivism, but that's a big problem throughout the right, center, and left sides of a potential Anti-Imperialist League.

That's very fair minded approach.

Reverend Wright is relatively accurate, albeit his sound clips make him look angry.

I don't think the man is racist, or nearly as bad as say, Hagee...

 

[UKLooney]

Divide and conquer is their tactic. Wake up...

 

[Aratus]

"mark twain" ... is two words!