Retailers Want To Be Able To Scan Your Face Without Your Permission

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http://arstechnica.com/business/201...le-to-scan-your-face-without-your-permission/

After more than a year of discussions, all nine privacy advocates have stormed out of a government-organized “multi-stakeholder process” to sort out details around the best practices for facial recognition technology.

The sticking point was that corporations apparently refused to concede that there was any scenario during which a person’s consent to scan their face was needed.

“When we came in [last] Thursday, [we proposed] that in general, there will be exceptions, but the default for identifying unknown people is that you get permission before you identify them using facial recognition,” Alvaro Bedoya, one of the nine participating advocates and a law professor at Georgetown University, told Ars. “Not a single trade association or company would agree with that premise. That’s remarkable. Google is opt-in on facial recognition, Microsoft is opt-in on facial recognition, Facebook isn’t, but they’ve gotten sued and also had to turn it off in Europe. So not only does it go against state law, it goes against industry practice. Consumers deserve more.”

Bedoya is specifically referring to the Illinois Biometric Information Privacy Act (BIPA). Facebook was sued in April 2015 by a Chicago man, alleging that he and others in Illinois had their rights violated by Facebook as they did not give their express permission for facial recognition. Texas also has a similar law on the books.

As the privacy group wrote in a statement released late Monday evening:

At a base minimum, people should be able to walk down a public street without fear that companies they’ve never heard of are tracking their every movement—and identifying them by name—using facial recognition technology. Unfortunately, we have been unable to obtain agreement even with that basic, specific premise. The position that companies never need to ask permission to use biometric identification is at odds with consumer expectations, current industry practices, as well as existing state law.

We can't do opt-in because you might be a shoplifter

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And you cant have Rights either because you "might" break the law / disobey the govt. Why not this? Prove that I have broken some Lawful Law, then and ONLY then can you take my fucking Rights away.

Oh, and Less Privacy of course will be a boon to the Economy. Bullshit. We ARE what is for sale.
 
no privacy anymore. Cameras everywhere. Want to get a job? You need to sign lots of papers waiving your rights to privacy, go under multiple background checks, drug tests, etc
 
Time to break out the Nixon mask.

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Whaaa? No one suggested a Guy Fawkes mask? For shame! For shame!

Guilty by a Corporate Conviction until proven Innocent. Does that about sum it up?
 

Infrared camera systems will pick you out right away as your heat signature is dramatically different. There's no place to hide. A few years ago I saw a promotional video for a camera system that could determine abnormal behavior, like people wearing winter clothing in summer. It could determine if people were waiting for someone, if they were nervous, a whole lot of things. I'm sorry to say this but the only thing that keeps big brother from becoming a 1984 dictatorship is the fact that a lot of people are incompetent, the technology is here already.
 
So you want to be able to go out in public and yet not have anybody look at you? Does that about sum it up? You should have no expectation of privacy in a public setting.

What I'd like is that when I go out in public and people see my face, they dont try to look up and record my Driving Record, SSN, and purchasing habits should I ever feel the need to buy a Whopper. If they want to be able to do that, get a Warrant issued under the suspicion of a crime. The whole idea of "might shoplift", as I said, is Guilty until proven Innocent. Machines on the other hand are not people, and they do not get my concent.

Its one thing to be on a first name basis with the gas station attendant when you buy gas, but entirely another when a machine tries to shove it in your face that "John Anderton, you need to buy some tampons for the misses" or "John Anderton, you shouldn't be buying that cheeseburger because your cholestorol is too high". Thats Advertising by passing Judgement on people, and not something I have ever been a fan of.

If you read the whole article, there is some disturbing phrasing in it: “... ultimately be beneficial to consumers.” What about People who arent interested in Consuming everything they are told to consume? Does this also mean if I have zero interest in being told to Consume Consume Consume, that I am not a Consumer? Consumer is a division of the People as a whole and does not represent all humans.
 
What I'd like is that when I go out in public and people see my face, they dont try to look up and record my Driving Record, SSN, and purchasing habits should I ever feel the need to buy a Whopper. If they want to be able to do that, get a Warrant issued under the suspicion of a crime. The whole idea of "might shoplift", as I said, is Guilty until proven Innocent. Machines on the other hand are not people, and they do not get my concent.

Its one thing to be on a first name basis with the gas station attendant when you buy gas, but entirely another when a machine tries to shove it in your face that "John Anderton, you need to buy some tampons for the misses" or "John Anderton, you shouldn't be buying that cheeseburger because your cholestorol is too high". Thats Advertising by passing Judgement on people, and not something I have ever been a fan of.

If you read the whole article, there is some disturbing phrasing in it: “... ultimately be beneficial to consumers.” What about People who arent interested in Consuming everything they are told to consume? Does this also mean if I have zero interest in being told to Consume Consume Consume, that I am not a Consumer? Consumer is a division of the People as a whole and does not represent all humans.

"Oh, well that's entirely different. Never mind." -- Emily Litella
 
Does this also mean if I have zero interest in being told to Consume Consume Consume, that I am not a Consumer? Consumer is a division of the People as a whole and does not represent all humans.

Shut up citizen and start consuming. Don't you know what your purpose is ?

 
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