Restauranteer F/U feds

[shane77m]

It would be nice if the militias or the Oathkeepers would start doing something. My comments about it over at a blog I sometimes visit never get posted. The owner of the blog keeps spouting the slogan of "no more free Wacos". I like to remind him that Waco's happen everyday but I don't see the 3%'rs doing anything about it.

 

[Tod]

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I think it is safe to say that the building is owned by the NPS but the business is operated (and possibly owned, with certain rules from the NPS) by the guy.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I respect Clyde for offering to do something.

Well, I haven't actually offered, yet. I was hoping someone in that area there would at least look in to it.

Like I said, the owner of the restaurant would need to be contacted and arrangements made. Find out what the situation in the area is. I would want to be there as a long term customer (days?). Not looking to force a fire-fight, but making a stand. Somehow, "Mama" was able to get there for a birthday meal.

Perhaps a firearm is not needed, just dissent, willing to go to jail, etc... It's almost completely up to the owner and the willingness of the participant.

Now, whether a larger force, say an oath-keeper squad (or whatever they are calling it) was willing to "force" the unblocking of a driveway or something is another matter.

 

[tod evans]

Well, I haven't actually offered, yet. I was hoping someone in that area there would at least look in to it.

Like I said, the owner of the restaurant would need to be contacted and arrangements made. Find out what the situation in the area is. I would want to be there as a long term customer (days?). Not looking to force a fire-fight, but making a stand. Somehow, "Mama" was able to get there for a birthday meal.

Now, whether a larger force, say an oath-keeper squad (or whatever they are calling it) was willing to "force" the unblocking of a driveway or something is another matter.

What I expect out of oathkeepers is nothing more than they've done so far, lip service to the constitution.

It's the percentage of "them" who actively violate the document they claim to hold so dear that causes me to doubt the sincerity of the entire organization.

Publicity and rhetoric seem to be their strong suit and they, admittedly, do well in the media.

 

[shane77m]

Well, I haven't actually offered, yet. I was hoping someone in that area there would at least look in to it.

Like I said, the owner of the restaurant would need to be contacted and arrangements made. Find out what the situation in the area is. I would want to be there as a long term customer (days?). Not looking to force a fire-fight, but making a stand. Somehow, "Mama" was able to get there for a birthday meal.

Perhaps a firearm is not needed, just dissent, willing to go to jail, etc... It's almost completely up to the owner and the willingness of the participant.

Now, whether a larger force, say an oath-keeper squad (or whatever they are calling it) was willing to "force" the unblocking of a driveway or something is another matter.

I wonder what it would take to call the Feds bluff? I have a feeling that if enough unarmed people showed up, the Feds might "make and exception" and leave the business owner alone. Then again though, it could be a pepper spray, rubber bullets, and other less than lethal device party.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I wonder what it would take to call the Feds bluff? I have a feeling that if enough unarmed people showed up, the Feds might "make and exception" and leave the business owner alone. Then again though, it could be a pepper spray, rubber bullets, and other less than lethal device party.

I think anyone that wanted to "take a stand" would have to evaluate their convictions as to the level that they are ready to go. And all parties to the effort would have to all have the same level of willingness that is agreed upon. That is, is it dissent, or defensive stand, etc...

If dissent, then yes, anyone going would need to be willing to be sound-blasted, pepper or gas sprayed, etc... And even then, there's no guarantee that your life is not in danger.

I would not go with any "hope" that "they" will back down.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Don't know what's in Brunswick stew, ham biscuits I've never tried, not a huge carrot cake fan....

Sounds like an amazing lunch right now. Wish I was closer.

 

[jtap]

What a waste of time if they come to police this. Tip: Anyone there should hide their dogs.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Time to start another Occupy movement?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Time to start another Occupy movement?

Occupy Restaurant?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Don't know what's in Brunswick stew, ham biscuits I've never tried, not a huge carrot cake fan....

Sounds like an amazing lunch right now. Wish I was closer.

Keep in mind she's 100 years old.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Occupy Restaurant?

Exactly.

 

[Demigod]

Well, I haven't actually offered, yet. I was hoping someone in that area there would at least look in to it.

Like I said, the owner of the restaurant would need to be contacted and arrangements made. Find out what the situation in the area is. I would want to be there as a long term customer (days?). Not looking to force a fire-fight, but making a stand. Somehow, "Mama" was able to get there for a birthday meal.

Perhaps a firearm is not needed, just dissent, willing to go to jail, etc... It's almost completely up to the owner and the willingness of the participant.

Now, whether a larger force, say an oath-keeper squad (or whatever they are calling it) was willing to "force" the unblocking of a driveway or something is another matter.

Using weapons is a bad idea unless you plan to start an armed rebellion .If you even just use guns as a threat that means the mountain is under your control and the government will come to take it back.

The bold part is the correct way.THEY CAN NOT ARREST YOU ALL ,and they can not control everything.I yesterday posted a video about a guy being taken to the police in a stadium and no one moved a finger ( if they took him from the cops what were they going to do ,arrest the whole stadium ?),when the occupy movement was going on I think that while they were marching on a bridge the police came and arrested a hundred of them while the rest stood and watched ( what they should have done is started attacking police stations and government buildings across the city ). UNACCEPTABLE in both cases .Although this examples are maybe not directly connected to this issue they give the reasons why there is never and blow back .No since of unity at any level ,and you don't need large numbers to have them crap their pants at all.30-50K people could riot a city until the police beg on their knees for them to stop.


Yes the meme "You will take my guns from my cold dead hands" is nice for a poster but it predicts the future also.They will take your guns from your cold dead hands because you will eventually die going trough your whole life doing nothing,and your children will be so brainwashed that they will probably be even embarrassed from "crazy dad" when the cops come.

 

[Athan]

good luck with that.

I say bullshit on that idea. It is time militia start getting involved. Americans are being strong armed by idiots and need personal security.

Using weapons is a bad idea unless you plan to start an armed rebellion .If you even just use guns as a threat that means the mountain is under your control and the government will come to take it back.

I disagree with this. No one has to use guns as a threat. Having a LOT of armed members exercising their militia rights and one or two legal advisers or lawyers being spokesmen for the group, FORCES law enforcement to deescalate the situation and act passive as they should. You just have one guy with a gun, and he is treated like a potential Adam Lanza.

You have 100+ people involved, and the cops start acting like suddenly it is like dealing with a group of lawyers and they suddenly settle down. You have 100+ people unarmed however and they just get paddy wagons. These people want to go home at the end of the shift. They are not going to do SHIT with a genuine quasi military force who is going to also rape them in the court system.

I know because this happened in my area. Long story short, the county police went nuts on a guy simply for ASKING permission in advance to take a picture in front of the police station lawfully carrying an unloaded firearm. They put him through the ringer and like a criminal. They even charged him with having a weapon when all he had was a knife that was legally less than 4 inches and legal to carry.

So he organized his open carry friends and our county citizens. We ALL opened carried in front of the police station the next weekend later. With the firepower and our numbers in plain view, not ONE cop bothered us. we even had women and children in the crowd and they used the PD bathroom. In fact we ALL took pictures in front of the station with our guns.

Do not dismiss the amount of guns in a peaceful assembly from your formula. You don't have to act intimidating. All you have to look is professional, a well groomed citizen, and pack some serious firepower with a large group. We had at least 80+ people. Cops are not going to do shit to 80+ people with a legal council spokesman.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Using weapons is a bad idea unless you plan to start an armed rebellion .If you even just use guns as a threat that means the mountain is under your control and the government will come to take it back.

The bold part is the correct way.THEY CAN NOT ARREST YOU ALL ,and they can not control everything.I yesterday posted a video about a guy being taken to the police in a stadium and no one moved a finger ( if they took him from the cops what were they going to do ,arrest the whole stadium ?),when the occupy movement was going on I think that while they were marching on a bridge the police came and arrested a hundred of them while the rest stood and watched ( what they should have done is started attacking police stations and government buildings across the city ). UNACCEPTABLE in both cases .Although this examples are maybe not directly connected to this issue they give the reasons why there is never and blow back .No since of unity at any level ,and you don't need large numbers to have them crap their pants at all.30-50K people could riot a city until the police beg on their knees for them to stop.


Yes the meme "You will take my guns from my cold dead hands" is nice for a poster but it predicts the future also.They will take your guns from your cold dead hands because you will eventually die going trough your whole life doing nothing,and your children will be so brainwashed that they will probably be even embarrassed from "crazy dad" when the cops come.

I think you answered your own questioning of my post, within your post. If it is to be "wait and see" forever, then we already know the answer. Or, we change the question.

 

[Demigod]

I think you answered your own questioning of my post, within your post. If it is to be "wait and see" forever, then we already know the answer. Or, we change the question.

You do not have the mentality to act as a group,more precisely to mentality to act as an organized mob.It is that simple.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

You do not have the mentality to act as a group,more precisely to mentality to act as an organized mob.It is that simple.

My skills within a group have already been proven, that is not the question. The question is the goal. I am very good at leading or supporting the achieving of goals. Every member of a group is important, but no member can be indispensable. Learning the skills, how to achieve the goal, is also something that is easily attained. But I have zero tolerance for personal politics.

 

[tod evans]

My skills within a group have already been proven, that is not the question. The question is the goal. I am very good at leading or supporting the achieving of goals. Every member of a group is important, but no member can be indispensable.

I try and convince boards to cooperate.........Sometimes I actually win the argument.:o

People............................No way!

 

[Elias Graves]

The best thing any of us can do is go plunk down a couple of $20 bills for some stew and cake.
Guns will only turn the public against us. If gunplay is to be involved, it needs to be unprovoked on the part of the goon squads.
Nothing gets public sympathy faster than a few martyrs.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

The best thing any of us can do is go plunk down a couple of $20 bills for some stew and cake.
Guns will only turn the public against us. If gunplay is to be involved, it needs to be unprovoked on the part of the goon squads.
Nothing gets public sympathy faster than a few martyrs.

Oh, let me declare RIGHT NOW, that I am NOT advocating offense or preemptive violence AT ALL. Only, possibly, defense. I have no death wish, nor do I want to "start" any violence.