Republican hatred of Ron Paul

[sailingaway]

Of course it is true. And to itshappening, I get it that you like a different style, but there are those who disagree, and I'm one of them. The only reason these topics are broachable at all now by 'politicians' is because Ron hammered at them while they were unpopular until they were popular, always being consistent and explaining the interwoven necessity of the issues.

I agree with those statements in the OP as well.

Levin is really incoherent.

Can't disagree there.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I used to be a neocon. At the time, the son of Paul (Rand) would not have been able to convert me. It took Ron.

Rand isn't "Smarter" than Ron, he's just less consistent, more of a warhawk, and more of a hypocrite. He's way better than most other options, but he doesn't even deserve mentioning in the same sentence as Ron Paul.

 

[green73]

I used to be a neocon. At the time, the son of Paul (Rand) would not have been able to convert me. It took Ron.

Rand isn't "Smarter" than Ron, he's just less consistent, more of a warhawk, and more of a hypocrite. He's way better than most other options, but he doesn't even deserve mentioning in the same sentence as Ron Paul.

Of course. As Doug Casey always says, you have to be radical to get through to people.

 

[itshappening]

I used to be a neocon. At the time, the son of Paul (Rand) would not have been able to convert me. It took Ron.

Rand isn't "Smarter" than Ron, he's just less consistent, more of a warhawk, and more of a hypocrite. He's way better than most other options, but he doesn't even deserve mentioning in the same sentence as Ron Paul.

Oh dear.

Rand is not by any stretch of the imagination a "warhawk". He loudly denounced the Libya intervention. If he was a "warhawk" he would have been out there supporting it like most of the GOP. So how is he a "warhawk" exactly? He has said he will only prosecute a war if Congress declares it which is exactly Ron's position. Funny that.

You've been here 5 minutes and are making these stupid, ridiculous statements.

I'm starting to think you're a provocateur and infiltator. Sailing, please keep an eye on this one.

So Freedom, care to tell us more about your conversion from Neocon to Ron Paul? When did this occur exactly because you've been registered on the forum a matter of days... was it recent? Describe it to me please. I'm highly curious. Not that i'm not welcoming to new members... on the contrary, we need more new members but you're making ridiculous statements and seem like an agitator to me. So it'll be nice if you can tell us about your conversion. I love hearing these stories anyway, some of the best posts on the forum are about when the lightbulb went off.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You know what, it was kind of funny in my case. I thought that the US government invading tyrannical countries (In complete opposite of a "Typical" neocon, the country I really hated was North Korea, not Iran. I did think it would be acceptable to bomb Iran if they tried to build nukes, but at the time the country I really hated and wanted to see die was North Korea) would help make them more free at only minimal cost to ourselves (Absurd, I know, I was 15....) That said, I always cared the most about the fiscal issues I think. And I knew Ron Paul was actually conservative on the fiscal issues, while the other candidates weren't. The Patriot Act never really sat right with me either, and I was strongly in favor of the second amendment (Still am strong on the 2nd, and now even more anti-unpatriotic act). I liked that Ron Paul fully supported the 2nd and was fiscally conservative. So I actually supported Ron even while being pro-war.

I'm sure I would have supported Rand at the time as well (I still support him now, I just don't buy the BS that he's exactly the same as his dad... NOBODY would say that Rand is as libertarian as Ron if they weren't related, its just insane) but Rand would have only dragged me halfway over, since he only takes the libertarian view a little more than half of the time.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Oh dear.

Rand is not by any stretch of the imagination a "warhawk". He loudly denounced the Libya intervention. If he was a "warhawk" he would have been out there supporting it like most of the GOP. So how is he a "warhawk" exactly? He has said he will only prosecute a war if Congress declares it which is exactly Ron's position. Funny that.

You've been here 5 minutes and are making these stupid, ridiculous statements.

I'm starting to think you're a provocateur and infiltator. Sailing, please keep an eye on this one.

I said "More of." If I were comparing to the mainstream GOP, or even a mainstream Democrat, I'd say that Rand is quite peaceful. But compared to Ron, he is indeed more hawkish.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't trying to say that Rand is a warhawk compared to the center. Compared to the center, Rand is great. I'll vote for him. I'd try to convince anyone else to vote for him. But he is more hawkish than Ron. Where is that freaking transcript again?

 

[Lucille]

I used to be a neocon. At the time, the son of Paul (Rand) would not have been able to convert me. It took Ron...

Props for admitting to your former neoconnery! It took Red Pill Ron to wake me up too (2007, debate, Guiliani). I think it's important to set an example for other conservatives to follow who are afraid they'd spontaneously combust if they admit they were wrong.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

That's exactly what brought millions of us into this movement. Principle over politics, plain and simple.

Agreed but millions more are currently swinging to this side because of Rand's divergent style, lingo and manner. Most of the conservative media has been more than neutralized, they're being acclimated because the iron clad repackaging of the message. They see the base's appetite for what Rand offers and their credibility is vanishing if they don't see the writing on the wall. And yes, this was all made possible because of the trailblazer that Ron is.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Props for admitting to your former neoconnery! It took Red Pill Ron to wake me up too (2007, debate, Guiliani). I think it's important to set an example for other conservatives to follow who are afraid they'd spontaneously combust if they admit they were wrong.

I didn't even get into when I was really young and wanted to nuke everyone... That God for Ron Paul...

 

[itshappening]

I didn't even get into when I was really young and wanted to nuke everyone... That God for Ron Paul...

Why would you want to nuke everyone? I smell BS here.

When did this all occur? when did you start noticing Ron? And why are you only recent registrant to the forum?

A lot of things aren't adding up with you...

 

[Christian Liberty]

And you seriously think Rand wouldn't have voted for that? Ron actually regrets that vote, while Rand stil thinks it was a good idea. Rand, on the other hand, supports sanctions and supports military intervention for "America's vital interests." Ron just wants to bring everybody home.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Why would you want to nuke everyone? I smell BS here.

When did this all occur? when did you start noticing Ron? And why are you only recent registrant to the forum?

A lot of things aren't adding up with you...

First paragraph: When I was like 10 and didn't know anything. Lol. I took the assumption that the US was doing something good when we went to war, and combined that with the assumption that we should win as quickly as possible, being 10 I never thought of the consequences. I didn't have real political views back then.

Second Paragraph: I learned about Ron Paul from the internet in 2010. I liked him at the time because I liked his stances on economic issues, guns, and sort of the Patriot Act (I was more "Skeptical" than "Completely against" at the time.) I didn't care quite as much about the foreign policy stuff, so I liked him even though I disagreed with his foreign policy.

As for being a recent registrant, I was referred here by a member of some other forum that I am regularly on. I don't know what his username is on here though. I actually registered a few weeks ago but it took forever for them to approve my account for some reason.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think this is true.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/03/mailvox-republican-hatred-of-ron-paul.html

Couldn't agree more with that post.

 

[sailingaway]

No Woods is happy to educate in the GOP but he's always complaining why they didn't vote for Ron. Well gee Tom, it might have something to do with how you messaged him and advised him. The voters want it sugar coated and that's why Rand is more acceptable to them. They don't want their potential leader to get dragged into debates about legalizing heroin and god knows what else

quit provoking people.

 

[itshappening]

quit provoking people.

Back on topic.

One of Ron's problems I felt was that he willing to entertain these questions on heroin. Rand would never entertain it and probably quickly change the subject.

The best way to answer a question about heroin to a GOP crowd is to say that we "believe in states rights and that I dont think any state is going to vote to legalize heroin but in Washington and CO they did vote to legalize weed and in 24 states we have medical marijuana so I support states rights"

 

[torchbearer]

just got this in my email from C4L:

Last week, my son, Senator Rand Paul, stood for 13 hours filibustering Senate business to defend our Constitution.

Because of Rand's principled stand, Barack Obama hedged and finally gave Rand the answer he and other freedom lovers were asking for in writing.

Rand is currently holding a Stand With Rand Money Bomb to rally millions of Americans to help defend the Constitution.

I'm proud of my son's principled stand, so I'm personally asking you to sign your Defend the Constitution Petition and make a generous contribution to the Stand With Rand Money Bomb.

The Money Bomb ends tomorrow at midnight.

So please sign your Defend the Constitution Petition today.

 

[sailingaway]

just got this in my email from C4L:

are you sure that is from C4L? Because I know someone here bought the RandPaul2016 dot com back a ways and I thought they had transfered it to him. and this looks like a site a group of unknown supporters put together. You know a lot more about IPs etc than I do, are you sure this came from C4L?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Back on topic.

One of Ron's problems I felt was that he willing to entertain these questions on heroin. Rand would never entertain it and probably quickly change the subject.

The best way to answer a question about heroin to a GOP crowd is to say that we "believe in states rights and that I dont think any state is going to vote to legalize heroin but in Washington and CO they did vote to legalize weed and in 24 states we have medical marijuana so I support states rights"

IIRC that's also all Ron actually said, although Ron did also imply support for legalization.

 

[sailingaway]

IIRC that's also all Ron actually said, although Ron did also imply support for legalization.

He implied support for government being small enough to drown in a bathtub if needed, by the citizenry. What they do beyond that would be their own responsibility, so long as they took responsibility for it and hurt no one else.

 

[DamianTV]

The Republican Party has very few true Republicans left. Mostly it is a bunch of bought out Facists supporting a Plutocracy. As such, most of these fuckers have absolutely no right to speak. Ron Paul was one of the very few true Republicans left, so it is any wonder why these fakes and phonies hate him.