Reporter Ben Swann Reveals He Has the CDC Whistleblower Documents !!!

[specsaregood]

Very soon the gov't will force everyone to get vaccines and most likely yearly flu shots.

And some of us will point the finger at the people using anti-science to encourage people not to take vaccines for that change taking place.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Please point out anybody here that promotes forcing you to take vaccines or forcing you to eat something you don't want to eat. TIA.

well id have to look up alot of searches to be exact for sure.. but suffice it to say there are those who denigrate people who so choose to believe in natural science as I call it. It may be true that vaccines benefit some people, but the major reason that people get sick in the first place is because they already are sick.. Theyre sick because of what they put in their bodies.. their habits.. their sloth, etc. trying to make people healthy by relying on man-made means seems folly to me when man-made means is what is making them sick in the first place.

 

[specsaregood]

well id have to look up alot of searches to be exact for sure.. but suffice it to say there are those who denigrate people who so choose to believe in natural science as I call it.

Well you don't have the right not have your beliefs ridiculed or disagreed with. That is completely different than respecting your freedom to choose about vaccines.

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

That was the study which was looking at any possible link between Autism Spectrum Disorder and the MMR vaccine- it allegedly showed that African American males had a higher risk of autism (and no other groups did) from the MMR vaccine. The problem with the data was that they counted black children who were already autistic and attending special schools which required them to get the vaccine to be able to attend. That meant they were counted as cases where an individual had both autism and the vaccine- but ignored the fact that the vaccine came AFTER their autism diagnosis meaning the vaccine could not have caused the disease. When those cases were removed from the data set, no link between MMR and autism was found in any group. There was supposedly a "cover up" that the data was removed to hide the connection. The paper is not exactly "secret". Nor is the "missing" data.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywi...teblower-and-an-autism-tempest-in-a-trashcan/

Thank you for the disinfo Zippy

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Well you don't have the right not have your beliefs ridiculed or disagreed with. That is completely different than respecting your freedom to choose about vaccines.

yes but it hardly makes for constructive discourse. Its almost like some can only ridicule because they cant have a discussion which might go against their beliefs.

 

[specsaregood]

yes but it hardly makes for constructive discourse. Its almost like some can only ridicule because they cant have a discussion which might go against their beliefs.

I think it has more to do with the fact that this particular horse has been beaten to death, pounded until tender, roasted and served to the forum members eons ago, shat out, beaten and served again multiple times. In short, most/all the people here have already made up their minds for the most part and wont be changing it. There is no real unheard constructive discourse to be had.

 

[John X]

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

I don't have to respect things I think (and all the evidence shows) are totally wrong. That's what freedom is about.

 

[Zippyjuan]

[h=1]Gut-Brain Connection? Leaky Gut? No longer “Crazy Talk” says AAP[/h]
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has just taken a giant leap toward recognizing the association between gastrointestinal problems and Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD.) The November 2012 issue of their journal, Pediatrics, has a 200-page supplement entitled Improving Health Care for Children and Youth With Autism and Other Neurodevelopmental Disorders (Note: this guide was not currently available online.) As I perused the various articles to see what the AAP was up to, one particular gem caught my eye: Gastrointestinal (GI) Conditions in Children With Autism Spectrum Disorder: Developing a Research Agenda. Curiously optimistic, I decided to pause the Saturday-afternoon college football game and read the article. After a mere three sentences, my jaw dropped. “Many individuals with ASDs have symptoms of associated medical conditions, including seizures, sleep problems, metabolic conditions, and gastrointestinal disorders (the italics are mine), which have significant health, developmental, social, and educational impacts.” A few lines later I found there is a “lack of recognition by clinicians that certain behavioral manifestations in children with ASDs are indicators of GI problems (eg, pain, discomfort, or nausea).”


More:

http://tacanowblog.com/2012/11/08/gut-brain-connection-leaky-guy-no-longer-crazy-talk-says-aap/

Checked out their link to the paper. http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...by=yes&legid=pediatrics;130/Supplement_2/S160

It notes:

This likely reflects several factors, including variability in reported rates of GI disorders, controversies regarding the relationship between GI symptoms and the putative causes of autism, the limited verbal capacity of many ASD patients, and the lack of recognition by clinicians that certain behavioral manifestations in children with ASDs are indicators of GI problems (eg, pain, discomfort, or nausea).4–10

variability in reported rates of GI disorders

means that some have GI disorders, some don't. If GI disorders were the cause of ASD, one would expect to find them in most if not all ASD patients.

It also adds:

Whether GI issues in this population are directly related to the pathophysiology of autism, or are strictly a comorbid condition of ASD remains to be determined,

Meaning no link has been found but they actually suggest that it is ASD which is a cause of the GI issues, not the GI issues causing ASD symptoms.

Going to their data http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/Supplement_2/S160.figures-only they include this chart:

Reported prevalence of gastrointestinal disorders in children with ASD.

which shows in most cases less than one third had GI issues. When they examined dietary intake on those individuals, they noted many deficiencies (see link for more details).

One study they looked at noted:

1. Only 4 subjects with ASD (7.4%) met recommended servings from all food groups.

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

Checked out their link to the paper. http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...by=yes&legid=pediatrics;130/Supplement_2/S160

It notes:




means that some have GI disorders, some don't. If GI disorders were the cause of ASD, one would expect to find them in most if not all ASD patients.

It also adds:


Meaning no link has been found.

 

[John X]

FYI, When somebody responds on topic with analysis that shows they have read, thought about and understand the discussion and you respond with a customized troll graphic rational people are going to conclude that you are trolling. Maybe you've already given up on trying to reach rational people though.

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

people are going to conclude that you are trolling. Maybe you've already given up on trying to reach rational people though.

No not really, everybody here knows me and my rational thoughts. Next.

 

[fisharmor]

If autism was also genetic, we would not see an increase in the number of cases so rapidly. In 2013 1 in 65 kids had autism and now its 1 in 45 in 2015.

You should look up a guy named Michael J Goldberg, and in particular his book The Myth of Autism.
He points out, rightly, that there can be no such thing as a genetic epidemic.
It is impossible. It can't happen.

FYI his position is that it's inflammation in the temporal lobe which is to blame for many of these cases. He has a multipronged approach to treatment which includes MEDICAL TESTS (gasp) run by PHYSICIANS, not psychologists, wherein he looks for low-lying viruses, bacterial and fungal infections, and allergens as possible causes for the inflammation.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I don't have to respect things I think (and all the evidence shows) are totally wrong. That's what freedom is about.

youre right genius.. i guess the science is settled for global warming too.

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

You should look up a guy named Michael J Goldberg, and in particular his book The Myth of Autism.
He points out, rightly, that there can be no such thing as a genetic epidemic.
It is impossible. It can't happen.

FYI his position is that it's inflammation in the temporal lobe which is to blame for many of these cases. He has a multipronged approach to treatment which includes MEDICAL TESTS (gasp) run by PHYSICIANS, not psychologists, wherein he looks for low-lying viruses, bacterial and fungal infections, and allergens as possible causes for the inflammation.

Yes, now you are getting somewhere, most if not all disease is caused by inflammation. Get rid of the inflammation and you get better. Outside entities such as pathogens, germs, bacteria, virus', and parasites have no place in the human body. Except the good ones. This is where science and the understanding of our body is headed.

 

[Zippyjuan]

The videos that I presented are new findings. The autism is genetic theory is an old argument and if you didn't know already, big pharma conducts these studies and always manipulates the data in their favor.

If autism was also genetic, we would not see an increase in the number of cases so rapidly. In 2013 1 in 65 kids had autism and now its 1 in 45 in 2015.

One big reason is that what is considered to be Autism Spectrum Disorder has changed greatly over the years. It is a "spectrum" of symptoms and that spectrum has been expanding- including people today who would not have been called autistic 20 years ago. It is a subjective diagnosis- there is not a single test you can give somebody and say conclusively that this person is or is not autistic.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae...se-due-to-diagnostic-changes-finds-new-study/

Majority Of Autism Increase Due To Diagnostic Changes, Finds New Study

Almost two thirds of the increase in autistic Danish children results from how autism is diagnosed and tracked, found a new study in JAMA Pediatrics, lending more support to the idea that the apparent rise in autism rates, or at least most of it, is unlikely to be “real.” That is, the increase is likely more about previously-unidentified autistic individuals getting an autism diagnosis than more individuals actually developing autism.

Although the term “autism” has been around for more than a century, it didn’t start taking on a meaning we would recognize today until the 1940s, and it remained linked to schizophrenia, a completely unrelated psychiatric disorder, until the 1960s. The definition has continued to expand and become more detailed, and thus autism prevalence has been adjusted accordingly over the years.

In Denmark in particular, the diagnostic criteria for autism expanded in 1994 to include a spectrum of disorders with a broader list of symptoms, thereby widening the definition of autism. Then in 1995, national data tracking began to include diagnoses made from outpatient patient visits rather than just diagnoses of those admitted to a healthcare facility. Since every Danish resident has a complete health record maintained by the Danish government, researchers can use this national health registry to study an entire population with lower likelihood of bias from those included or excluded in a study.

By examining the health records of all children born in Denmark from 1980 through 1991 – nearly 668,000 children – the researchers determined that 60 percent of the increase in autism rates in Denmark could be attributed to those two changes in the way Danish autistic children have been counted since the mid-1990s. The change in the diagnostic criteria accounted for a third of the increase in autism, and including outpatient diagnoses in the statistics account for 42 percent of the increase.

What makes this study strong is its size, with well over a half million children born over a decade, and the use of the national health registry for the data. “The authors have at hand a more exhaustive and thorough database than is available pretty much anywhere else, and their findings are echoed by some other studies,” said Glen Elliott, chief psychiatrist and medical director of Children’s Health Council in Palo Alto, Calif. But it’s less clear, Elliott told me, how much these findings can be generalized to the U.S. Autism prevalence in Denmark, 54 of every 10,000 children, is still far lower than that of the U.S., with 147 of 10,000 children, though the latter, he said, uses a less precise tool* than direct access to patient records, as used in this study.

“Likely, the effect of diagnostic changes is similar between Denmark and the U.S., although we don’t really have side-by-side studies of which I’m aware to prove that,” Elliott said. “The effect of awareness and early detection of autism spectrum disorders could well be different between the two countries.”

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

One big reason is that what is considered to be Autism Spectrum Disorder has changed greatly over the years. It is a "spectrum" of symptoms and that spectrum has been expanding- including people today who would not have been called autistic 20 years ago. It is a subjective diagnosis- there is not a single test you can give somebody and say conclusively that this person is or is not autistic.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae...se-due-to-diagnostic-changes-finds-new-study/

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

[h=1]Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.[/h]

 

[Dr. Dog]

i dont understand why some people on here cant simply respect others' freedom to choose against vaccines and for healthy eating/living

I don't think anyone here has ever suggested restricting anyone's freedom to be idiots.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Well, if that is the best response you can come up with when facts are presented....

 

[Zippyjuan]

[h=1]Curing autism with Chlorine Dioxide.[/h]

I inquired earlier but didn't see a response. You indicated that your son is autistic. Then you keep posting that this CD treatment is a cure for autism. You indicated that you were taking the treatment but he wasn't. Curious why not him if it could help. If it really is a cure for autism?