REPORT- RNC To ADOPT THE MINORITY RULES REPORT (not sure if that means new rules dead yet)

[sailingaway]

I posted a report with all the egregious rules changes listed

but the question is were they all in the MINORITY report? And it said they were going to 'cure the Paul problem' with smaller changes. I wonder what those are.

 

[KingRobbStark]

Everyone sounds exited. I will have to look into that. I will start with movie.

 

[opal]

Mit has the numbers.. but did they all show up in Tampa with the storm threatening? hmmmmmm

 

[libertyjam]

but the question is were they all in the MINORITY report? And it said they were going to 'cure the Paul problem' with smaller changes. I wonder what those are.

Ya, don't know to that, I will ask the question, don't know who has seen the minority report.

 

[cjm]

Led by Morton blackwell, a committee man from Virginia, who was a Barry Goldwater delegate, has successfully led a campaign to adopt the minority report. I don't have any sources other then a source inside the Paul campaign..

+rep. Thanks for taking the time to update the RPFers that are not there in Tampa right now. You've got to be pretty busy with political and social events, and we appreciate you taking the time to keep us in the loop.

(go Virginia!)

 

[Miss Annie]

Mit has the numbers.. but did they all show up in Tampa with the storm threatening? hmmmmmm

I am just curious here,...... are Romney's delegates bound to vote for Romney? What if they saw all of the power grabbing and decided to change their vote? What if they decided not to vote for Romney? Would they be able to do that? Could they refuse to vote for Romney?

 

[wgadget]

literal revolt. They tried to use the dread of Paul to completely end the federal nature of the RNC with state autonomy and let RNC change the rules whenever they wanted with no state delegate vote, amongst other things. It wasn't JUST us who had problems here to the point where Romney is saying his attorney put these huge rules changes in all on his own.

Well, why not? After all, Romney said he'd consult his lawyers when it came to declaring war.

 

[Paulatized]

Probably just meant they will work around the rules (ignore the rules/cheat) as necessary, since it seemed to work fairly well this time.

but the question is were they all in the MINORITY report? And it said they were going to 'cure the Paul problem' with smaller changes. I wonder what those are.

 

[wgadget]

They went too far and made mainstream state republicans mad, including Romney supporters.

And Tea Party people, too.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Excellent development. Somebody remembered that old notion that "you don't change the rules in the middle of the game." Conventions of organizations normally operate this way, with a final vote by the body on the reports coming out of the committees. The rules committee serves the body, who accept or reject their reports. Approval didn't happen this time, fantastic!

 

[wgadget]

I just hope the Establishment has stirred up a nice hornet's nest for the big shew.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

This is the kind of pressure we need to turn the tables and use coalition building to our advantage going forward. They are not untouchable!

 

[MozoVote]

Sounds like some of the state delegations are seriously pissed about these rule changes - there are important geographical fissures in the party that this may be exacerbating. Remember how many states Santorum won. The delegates grudgingly settled on Romney. That doesn't mean they want to give him a warm embrance.

 

[CPUd]

It's like our guy from Virginia said - he never has seen a motion fail if it is what the chair wants. They're gonna withdraw it if they believe it won't pass, cause that would look even worse than having RP on the ballot. The big thing to make sure of is that 'everything' got withdrawn.

The technique that was used - this is how you beat it. They were making a gambit by putting it out there, and trying to mitigate it by blaming it on Ron Paul chaos. This allows them to manufacture a solution that fits their real agenda. In this case, it would be to concede the arbitrary rule change powers and the primary binding, but leave the 'minor changes' in place.

It has to be played the same way the Maine delegates played it; call them on it rather than compromise. If you force their hand, they have to deal with the backlash. And if they can't do that, as long as you stand your ground, they will concede entirely.

Luckily we have people there who have read the same books as them...

Sounds like some of the state delegations are seriously pissed about these rule changes - there are important geographical fissures in the party that this may be exacerbating. Remember how many states Santorum won. The delegates grudgingly settled on Romney. That doesn't mean they want to give him a warm embrance.

This is a perfect time to approach those delegates and convince them they need to show the RNC that the state GOPs have the power, and as a demonstration of that power, they will join forces and help get Ron Paul on the ballot.

 

[sailingaway]

It's like our guy from Virginia said - he never has seen a motion fail if it is what the chair wants. They're gonna withdraw it if they believe it won't pass, cause that would look even worse than having RP on the ballot. The big thing to make sure of is that 'everything' got withdrawn.

The technique that was used - this is how you beat it. They were making a gambit by putting it out there, and trying to mitigate it by blaming it on Ron Paul chaos. This allows them to manufacture a solution that fits their real agenda. In this case, it would be to concede the arbitrary rule change powers and the primary binding, but leave the 'minor changes' in place.


It has to be played the same way the Maine delegates played it; call them on it rather than compromise. If you force their hand, they have to deal with the backlash. And if they can't do that, as long as you stand your ground, they will concede entirely.

Luckily we have people there who have read the same books as them...

the article said something about 'more minor changes' would take care of a Paul type problem, I am not sure what they were referring to.

 

[libertyjam]

It's like our guy from Virginia said - he never has seen a motion fail if it is what the chair wants. They're gonna withdraw it if they believe it won't pass, cause that would look even worse than having RP on the ballot. The big thing to make sure of is that 'everything' got withdrawn.

The technique that was used - this is how you beat it. They were making a gambit by putting it out there, and trying to mitigate it by blaming it on Ron Paul chaos. This allows them to manufacture a solution that fits their real agenda. In this case, it would be to concede the arbitrary rule change powers and the primary binding, but leave the 'minor changes' in place.

It has to be played the same way the Maine delegates played it; call them on it rather than compromise. If you force their hand, they have to deal with the backlash. And if they can't do that, as long as you stand your ground, they will concede entirely.

Luckily we have people there who have read the same books as them...





This is a perfect time to approach those delegates and convince them they need to show the RNC that the state GOPs have the power, and as a demonstration of that power, they will join forces and help get Ron Paul on the ballot.

Yes, this. I received one reply so far. The changes in the minority report are "less bad" but no specific details. Everyone is at the welcoming party or the rally party.

 

[cocrehamster]

What scares me is that these attorneys of romneys who think its ok to change any rule you want at any point in the game are the same ones who he said he will go to when he needs permission to go to war.

 

[anaconda]

What scares me is that these attorneys of romneys who think its ok to change any rule you want at any point in the game are the same ones who he said he will go to when he needs permission to go to war.

LOL

 

[Aratus]

good luck, people! please be safe, non~violent and rEVOLUTIOn vigilent inside the big new RNC hall tomorrow!!!!
i'm hoping the harbor waves as seen from the hall are to be only fondly memorable instead of extremely choppy!

 

[Mini-Me]

Wow...I wonder how this went down? I suppose it could be like CPUd said...dialectic synthesis.