FED: Rep. Paul introduces bill to cancel $1.6T in debt held by Federal Reserve

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/174953-rep-paul-introduces-bill-to-cancel-public-debt-held-by-the-fed


Rep. Ron Paul on Monday introduced legislation that would lower the federal government's debt by canceling the roughly $1.6 trillion in debt held by the Federal Reserve.

Paul has argued for the last few weeks that the idea represents a quick way to make the growing fiscal crisis more manageable. Under his bill, H.R. 2768, the $1.6 trillion that the Treasury owes to the Federal Reserve would disappear.

The Federal Reserve began buying Treasury bonds in earnest late last year as part of its effort to keep long-term interest rates down. But Paul has argued that Fed purchases of Treasury debt represent a debt that the government owes to itself, and one that also leads to an unwanted and inflationary increase in the money supply.

Paul has also said the Fed is allowing the federal government to continue a spending binge it otherwise would not be able to afford, and is forcing the Fed to print money to keep up.


"If the federal government cannot cut spending and bring the budget back into balance, the Fed undoubtedly will be forced to simply monetize trillions of dollars in Treasury debt, which is nothing more than a stealth form of default," Paul said back in May.

Paul is highly critical of the debt-ceiling agreement that the House approved Monday, and said that rather than require real cuts in spending, the bill mostly cuts planned spending levels in the future. According to the legislation, discretionary spending in 2012 would be just $7 billion less than in 2011, and in 2013 it would be just $3 billion less than 2011 before allowing increases above 2011 levels.


"No plan under serious consideration cuts spending in the way you and I think about it," Paul wrote in a piece that appeared on The Hill's Congress Blog. "Instead, the 'cuts' being discussed are illusory, and are not cuts from current amounts being spent, but cuts in projected spending increases."
 
Man, our government is really idiotic. We printed up empty money, to pay to borrow money from ourselves, which had the effect of doubly adding to inflation and the national debt!
 
This was brought up yesterday, this article was written on 08/02/11 09:13 AM ET. But I still hope he plans of doing it when he becomes President. :D
 
This will not get passed, but I hope it does. The debts are now illegitimate. Any self issued debt by the Fed that it holds (self issued, self bought) is a travesty and a god damn joke. It should be wiped from existence.
 
I don't know from what angle Paul is coming at this from. But ideally I would disagree with this.
 
I don't know from what angle Paul is coming at this from. But ideally I would disagree with this.

The Fed creates the money out of thin air and loaned it to the federal government. Why should we pay them interest for that? If they need the money so bad they can print some more and put it in their pockets.
 
The Fed creates the money out of thin air and loaned it to the federal government. Why should we pay them interest for that? If they need the money so bad they can print some more and put it in their pockets.

Interest paid to the fed is nearly entirely given back to the treasury. Essentially you are saying the government should be able to print money and spend it.
 
Interest paid to the fed is nearly entirely given back to the treasury. Essentially you are saying the government should be able to print money and spend it.

At least that would almost be constitutional. Having the Fed print the money government spends and then paying interest on it isn't a better answer, even if they "almost entirely" give it back.
 
Man, our government is really idiotic. We printed up empty money, to pay to borrow money from ourselves, which had the effect of doubly adding to inflation and the national debt!

Maybe it is not the "government" Who elected these people? Who allows them to continue? The people of the Untied States of America. As I always say, we did not just one day wake up and things became this way...
 
At least that would almost be constitutional. Having the Fed print the money government spends and then paying interest on it isn't a better answer, even if they "almost entirely" give it back.

Its not constitutional for our government to print paper dollars and to pass it off as something of value.
 
Its not constitutional for our government to print paper dollars and to pass it off as something of value.

No it isn't, but they can at least argue it because they have the authority to "coin money and regulate the value thereof". There is no constitutional justification for a private bank to create the legal tender out of thin air, and then the government pays them interest to borrow it.
 
If you eliminate the debt that the Federal Reserve holds they will not be able to later resell those treasury securities to try to take back any of they money they put into the economy when they purchased them.
 
And yet that money is required to pay off the outstanding massive debts (the money these treasuries would pull out of the economy).


How's this for a novel concept: wipe out the unconstitutional debts and return to sound money through competing currencies. SOLVED.

If you eliminate the debt that the Federal Reserve holds they will not be able to later resell those treasury securities to try to take back any of they money they put into the economy when they purchased them.
 
I don't know from what angle Paul is coming at this from. But ideally I would disagree with this.

And if the member banks, most or all of which received bailouts, iirc, got bailout debt marked 'paid' at the same time? Would it still wound your sensibilities then?
 
If you eliminate the debt that the Federal Reserve holds they will not be able to later resell those treasury securities to try to take back any of they money they put into the economy when they purchased them.

That's operating under the idea that what the Fed would sell has value. Obviously it doesn't. Paper is not wealth; you can't print wealth. Soon it'll be Nobody Buying But Bernake (NBBB)
 
Maybe it is not the "government" Who elected these people? Who allows them to continue? The people of the Untied States of America. As I always say, we did not just one day wake up and things became this way...


You are correct. The laziness of Americans is a major contributor to the problem. But lets not place all blame there. The government has trained us to be lazy and needy to makes us WANT its intervention. There is no tyranny more secure than the one the people like.
 
If you eliminate the debt that the Federal Reserve holds they will not be able to later resell those treasury securities to try to take back any of they money they put into the economy when they purchased them.

Correct, which like any bankruptcy or default leaves counterfeit money floating in the economy - a problem in itself, as it steals wealth from all currency holders. The problem, and why it's not a problem: When the Fed tries "to take back any of the [COUNTERFEIT] money they put into the economy", it will immediately see this as a need to INJECT MORE counterfeit money into the economy, thus enlarging the Ponzi scheme further (gotta keep that money supply stable, and avoid that evil thing called deflation, doncha know).

And when they "resell" treasury securities, what are they reselling, but PROMISES THAT WE WILL BE LATER TAXED EVEN MORE TO PAY A DEBT!
 
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