Rep. Luis Gutierrez: 600,000 DREAMERS is only a down payment!

[2young2vote]

I'd like to know how many of them become "good" taxpaying citizens, and how many of them become welfare receivers. Does anyone have any statistics on current illegal immigrants? I can't find any on that specific issue.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I'd like to know how many of them become "good" taxpaying citizens, and how many of them become welfare receivers. Does anyone have any statistics on current illegal immigrants? I can't find any on that specific issue.

Well, about 3 out of 4 legalized citizen latino immigrants vote democrat, if that tells you anything. I'm not saying 'good taxpaying citizens' should vote GOP because they do a good job with the money, far from it, but the democrats are known for giving away 'free stuff' to get votes. If anyone can find a way to let that 1 out of 4 in and tell the rest to **** off, the floor is open for ideas.

 

[Michelangelo]

Well, about 3 out of 4 legalized citizen latino immigrants vote democrat, if that tells you anything. I'm not saying 'good taxpaying citizens' should vote GOP because they do a good job with the money, far from it, but the democrats are known for giving away 'free stuff' to get votes. If anyone can find a way to let that 1 out of 4 in and tell the rest to **** off, the floor is open for ideas.

A recent survey of Dreamers found that roughly half were political independents. Similar numbers exist for second generation migrants. The Republicans have scared migrants away, but the migrants themselves have not been pushed into the Democratic voting machine.

Big 'L' libertarians should be trying to win over this large independent cohort. Its not like we need the Republicans. Good riddance if anything!

It is estimated that about 75% of illegals are fully compliant with taxes. Traunts tend to be short term illegal migrants. Longer term ones tend to pay taxes in hopes it will aid them if immigration reform is passed.

It is true certain localities have large expenses on the children of migrants, legal and illegal. Then again, the same holds true for children of natives. Children are expensive, but they are investments who more than payback their costs. I'd prefer if I weren't /forced/ to pay for public schools, but in a free society I would gladly do so. I suspect many would. Children are expensive but they are needed investments to ensure we have a skilled workforce in the future to provide services for when we have aged. Many countries, and certain localities in the US, are scared to death that they don't have enough kids running around. We are lucky to have so many kids.

It woukd be best to create a program to redirect federal funds to those regions with large migrant populations. At the federal level illegal aliens produce a tax surplus that more than covers any deficits at the local level.

 

[AuH20]

Well, about 3 out of 4 legalized citizen latino immigrants vote democrat, if that tells you anything. I'm not saying 'good taxpaying citizens' should vote GOP because they do a good job with the money, far from it, but the democrats are known for giving away 'free stuff' to get votes. If anyone can find a way to let that 1 out of 4 in and tell the rest to **** off, the floor is open for ideas.

Close to 80%. It's a mess. And much of the detailed polling reveals they are hostile to gun rights as well as supporting nearly every stripe of government assistance programs. There is a huge ideological divide at work. It's simply a cultural issue, thanks to the countries they are emigrating from.

 

[AuH20]

http://cis.org/mortensen/hispanics-were-democrats-long-illegal-immigration-became-issue

Of course, the pro-illegal-immigration Journal as well as other pro-illegal-immigrant elements of the Republican party fail to acknowledge that for at least the last nine elections, Hispanics have voted heavily in favor of Democratic presidential candidates over Republican candidates by an average of 64 percent to 31 percent, as shown by data compiled by the Pew Hispanic Center.

Year Democrat Republican
1980 (Reagan/Carter) 56% 35%
1984 (Reagan/Mondale) 61% 37%
1988 (Bush/Dukakis) 69% 30%
1992 (Bush/Clinton) 61% 25%
1996 (Dole/Clinton) 72% 21%
2000 (Bush/Gore) 62% 35%
2004 (Bush/Kerry) 58% 40%
2008 (Obama/McCain) 67% 31%
2012 (Obama/Romney) 71% 27%
Average 64% 31%

This poll will make you claw your eyes out. Hispanics are bigger sheeple than boobus, thanks in large part to their socioeconomic standing, which makes them susceptible to these overtures. Look at the first generations splits. That's what Luis Gutierrez wants in droves:

 

[nobody's_hero]

A recent survey of Dreamers found that roughly half were political independents. Similar numbers exist for second generation migrants

Latino voters go for dems 2 to 1 over GOP. And I'm willing to bet those 'independents' you speak of lean democrat in probably every election they take part in. I call them 'hipster independents'—people who know damn well they're gonna vote for one party always over the other but yet they call themselves 'independents' because they think it's cool or something.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160706/democrats-enjoy-advantage-gop-among-hispanics.aspx

 

[LibForestPaul]

I'd like to know how many of them become "good" taxpaying citizens, and how many of them become welfare receivers. Does anyone have any statistics on current illegal immigrants? I can't find any on that specific issue.

They have courses, in NY, provided by the state, on how to receive benefits, for those without documentation.

 

[LibForestPaul]

The reason why South Americans do not vote 100% dem is due to their Catholic faith.

 

[Michelangelo]

Latino voters go for dems 2 to 1 over GOP. And I'm willing to bet those 'independents' you speak of lean democrat in probably every election they take part in. I call them 'hipster independents'—people who know damn well they're gonna vote for one party always over the other but yet they call themselves 'independents' because they think it's cool or something.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160706/democrats-enjoy-advantage-gop-among-hispanics.aspx

http://www.undocumentedmillennials.com/#!Political-Preferences/c1ea5

Nah. There is a significant group of Dreamers who are angry with Democrats. They may vote for Democrats out of neccesity where only those two options are present, but it would be better to consider them voting AGAINST republicans. Hence the LP should be able to court them.

 

[The Free Hornet]

You are making no sense. What does that have to do with Gutteriez's comments?

You claimed trespass on property:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...own-payment!&p=5605174&viewfull=1#post5605174

I gave an example of trespass on private property (INS raids). You have not given a coherent example. Country or nation is not "property". The property is what individuals own and control, not states.

Why do so many people repeatedly vote for socialists when socialist holding political power intentionally create an enslaved dependent voting block which is doomed to a life of slavery as long as their slave masters remain in power?


JWK

By "socialists" do you mean Republicans? Is there any welfare/socialism the Republicans haven't initiated or expanded besides Obamaphones?

 

[alucard13mm]

If they break the law to get into the country because they think they have the right to do it... Then they will break the law to get perks and benefits that only a US citizen is supposed to get, because they think they have the right to it.

A few of my chinese relatives are mad when they found out that millions of people will get a free pass to become citizens. Most of my relatives came to USA legally. It took a lot of time, money, medical examinations, formalities and sponsorship. If we capitalize on this, we might be able to win over some democrats who are pissed at pro-illegal immigration. Most asians vote democrat AND they will vote for Hillary Clinton when given the chance. They love Billy Clinton for some reason.

New York and California, both big states with a lot of electoral votes, have large asian populations. Texas has a big vietnamese population.

THere aren't as many Chinese that come to USA anymore, a lot of them are going to Canada because it is easier to get in and because it is even more socialist. I love Canadian chinese food .

 

[Anti Federalist]

That doesn't really bother me. Enabling our psycho government does. These people are the great counterweight to the gradual awakening that is occurring. That's why they are being brought in such large numbers.

Yup, this.

I can not think of a single Central or South American country that is not leftist or Marxist.

As if we don't have enough trouble waking up native Boobus.

And somewhere, Chief Tecumseh is laughing his ass off.

 

[nobody's_hero]

http://www.undocumentedmillennials.com/#!Political-Preferences/c1ea5

Nah. There is a significant group of Dreamers who are angry with Democrats. They may vote for Democrats out of neccesity where only those two options are present, but it would be better to consider them voting AGAINST republicans. Hence the LP should be able to court them.

Heh, well, now I'm not sure who the real Dreamers are. But good luck with that.

 

[nobody's_hero]

THere aren't as many Chinese that come to USA anymore, a lot of them are going to Canada because it is easier to get in and because it is even more socialist. I love Canadian chinese food .

I'd like to know how they got in. I have a family member who tried to get up to Canada just to visit a friend, and she was held in detainment in Toronto when she couldn't answer questions about how she was going to support herself during her stay. They searched everything she had, and immediately booked her a flight back to NYC, still about a thousand miles away from home.

Canada doesn't play around when it comes to immigration. They haven't lost their minds, yet.

 

[Philhelm]

You could not have been more wrong about what you posted if you tried. Coming to the US from Africa is by far the hardest thing to do and mind you, I am not talking about refugees who essentially are fast tracked and steered away from the normal immigration-get a passport-go to the embassy-and interview for a visa routine. The day I got my visa, about 3 other people got their visas that same day and that is about 3 out of 250. Most people that come to the US legally from Africa go through a battery of tests and financial qualifications that would break the average man. Also at least 80% of the Africans you see in this country came as refugees not regular immigrants.

I don't agree with the above. I have seen plenty of Africans obtain visas, and most of them were not refugees. Off the top of my head, the only issue I recall from an African client is that he had lied about being married when he obtained his visa and got caught in the lie when he tried to petition for his wife.

 

[oyarde]

I don't agree with the above. I have seen plenty of Africans obtain visas, and most of them were not refugees. Off the top of my head, the only issue I recall from an African client is that he had lied about being married when he obtained his visa and got caught in the lie when he tried to petition for his wife.

I cannot figure out what is wrong with that .

 

[oyarde]

I don't agree with the above. I have seen plenty of Africans obtain visas, and most of them were not refugees. Off the top of my head, the only issue I recall from an African client is that he had lied about being married when he obtained his visa and got caught in the lie when he tried to petition for his wife.

A good Man should not be legally required to claim his wife all of the time. Just yesterday , as an example , I was wondering about mine while she was being rude to some guy in a furniture store who she thought worked there. I claim her most of the time . That exceeds reasonable expectations as far as I know

 

[johnwk]

Rep. Luis Gutierrez fought to give terrorist bomber parole in US!

I wonder how many people in America know that Rep. Luis Gutierrez, Obama's pal, fought to get parole for a previous leader of a group involved in 120 bombings.


SEE: Gutierrez bids to get radical out of prison

January 26, 2011

SPRINGFIELD — Squaring off against Chicago’s top federal prosecutor and victims’ families, U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez is helping push parole for a one-time leader of a violent Puerto Rican separatist group responsible for 120 bombings nationally that killed five people.

Amazing, not only does our President have a close relationship with the terrorist sympathizer Rep. Luis Gutierrez, but Barack Hussein Obama also befriended Bill Ayers, a sympathizer of the radical bomb throwing Weatherman terror group.

And now, our hate America crowd seem to have added a new strategy to destroy America from within --- flood America with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, unskilled and disease carrying populations of other countries.

JWK


The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

 

[Zippyjuan]

http://cis.org/mortensen/hispanics-were-democrats-long-illegal-immigration-became-issue




This poll will make you claw your eyes out. Hispanics are bigger sheeple than boobus, thanks in large part to their socioeconomic standing, which makes them susceptible to these overtures. Look at the first generations splits. That's what Luis Gutierrez wants in droves:

Rather than ignoring them or writing them off, Conservatives should start more education and outreach to teach the befits of smaller government and lower taxes to immigrants.

 

[devil21]

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Federal programs like food stamps (SNAP), Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid, Obamacare.

Unless they steal social security numbers and identities. That never happens though right?