Remember Bobby Sands

[osan]

On 5 May, it will be 41 years since Bobby Sands died of starvation at the hands of British filth at the Maze.

Remember Bobby Sands, and may we all be so courageous to our convictions.

 

[mt4rp]

Thanks for posting this osan, it was an event I remember seeing on the news, but as a young guy back then not being much interested in it beyond the headlines..https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-56937259

 

[osan]

Bump. Because.

 

[mtr1979]

On 5 May, it will be 41 years since Bobby Sands died of starvation at the hands of British filth at the Maze.

Remember Bobby Sands, and may we all be so courageous to our convictions.

We're calling the British filth right now. I'm not cool with that.

Why are we supporting a terrorist? It is weird when you Google Bobby Sands it is difficult to find anything negative about the guy. He is painted as a folk hero who didn't do anything bad. Why am I not surprised? He was after all part of a far-left Marxist group the IRA so he gets a free pass.

The problem is a lot of people have Irish blood so they can't look at guy like Sands objectively.

By the way I'm of mostly Irish decent. Whenever there is a movie and they have an Irish Gangster that gangster is using my surname. I grew up Catholic as well. I don't know if it is an Irish Catholic thing, but the level of cognitive dissonance in the community is unbelievable.

 

[osan]

We're calling the British filth right now. I'm not cool with that.

Why are we supporting a terrorist? It is weird when you Google Bobby Sands it is difficult to find anything negative about the guy. He is painted as a folk hero who didn't do anything bad. Why am I not surprised? He was after all part of a far-left Marxist group the IRA so he gets a free pass.

I'm not supporting anyone. I am remembering someone with the courage to starve himself to death. I'd do as much even for a filthy Marxist.

As for the Brits, they are decidedly not our friends, and here I speak of their "government", and not the people at large. They suckered us into two world wars. That alone should leave any decent man in possession of an IQ regarding the Crown with suspicion and contempt.

The problem is a lot of people have Irish blood so they can't look at guy like Sands objectively.

0% Irish here.

The Brits occupy N. Ireland and should GTFO. That the Irish endeavored to murder as many of them as they could manage, I cannot blame them a whit. The British, along with the Spanish and French are some of the most vile creatures on the planet, politically speaking. That isn't to say anyone is clean of hand. Germans, Hungarians, Italians... You name it: political assholes. An honest man looks at humanity broadly and sees filth, full of violence, ego, morbid greed, and so forth. I just like calling it out. Call it venting or whatever you like, but I will not stand silent in the face of raw evil. I am certainly a gross fool and it may one day get me into real trouble, but I refuse to remain shut. I no longer care shat happens to me. Time is long past for reasonable men to stand tall, rather than cowering in a corner for fear of what might befall them if they speak a blatant truth.

I don't know if it is an Irish Catholic thing, but the level of cognitive dissonance in the community is unbelievable.

I can believe it. On the one hand, people want to get from day to day without blowing up of being shot. On the other, who wants British filth stinking up the place? The British "government" may be the most singularly evil entity in the galaxy, not to mention they are raft of suppurating assholes.

 

[mtr1979]

I'm not supporting anyone. I am remembering someone with the courage to starve himself to death. I'd do as much even for a filthy Marxist.

I can never give a Marxist credit. It is a hard stance to take take sometimes. Look at a group like Republicans Action Against Drugs (RAAD). Sure on the surface they are doing good things like executing drug dealers. But they eventually merged with the New IRA. I'm going off a Vice Documentary from like ten years ago. The point being I can never accept or condone fruit off a poisonous tree.

 

[osan]

I can never give a Marxist credit.

That is an error. Give credit where due. If a marxist saved your child's life, would you curse him because he was a marxist?

If I hated a man enough to want to kill him, I would still give credit where due. Consider Themme. Theye are pure evil, and yet I have numerous times had to express in this forum my admiration for their skill, patience, and fortitude. That doesn't mean I agree with what they do, but they must be acknowledged for their great cunning and other virtuous qualities, even though they apply them to appalling ends. I'd still wring the life from each of them with my bare hands, if I were able to and h ad no rifle handy.

There is virtue in being able and willing to separate qualities and evaluate each according to its merit as such, regardless of what other rot may be in question. Credit where due, the same as with condemnation.

Just to be clear, my respect for Sands' actions in his last days does not have to carry over into his other acts. Marxist? Well that's a shame. he's dead, so it is no longer relevant. But his work against the invaders is at least understandable. Would you sit for Chinese invaders here in America? I'd be killing them as I was able and i would have no problem employing guerrilla tactics. One man's traitor is another's freedom fighter.

Humans.

 

[mtr1979]

Consider Themme. Theye are pure evil, and yet I have numerous times had to express in this forum my admiration for their skill, patience, and fortitude.

Without googling I don't know what themme means or is?

Just to be clear, my respect for Sands' actions in his last days does not have to carry over into his other acts. Marxist? Well that's a shame. he's dead, so it is no longer relevant. But his work against the invaders is at least understandable. Would you sit for Chinese invaders here in America? I'd be killing them as I was able and i would have no problem employing guerrilla tactics. One man's traitor is another's freedom fighter.

Humans.

As far as comparing the Chinese invading US to English occupation of Ireland. You are comparing apples to oranges.
What is going on in Northern Ireland is more tragic because it is a "brother war." Sure one group might have more Anglo Saxon blood while the other has more Celtic blood. One is Catholic and one is protestant. They are basically the same people after centuries the blood is mixed.
If the Chinese invade the US I will happily watch as NYC and San Francisco burn to the ground. Wait that wouldn't happen the residents of such cities would welcome the Chinese with open arms. Meanwhile the residents of the south and the Midwest would be bombed to the stone age.

 

[WisconsinLiberty]

Robert Gerard Sands (Irish: Roibeárd Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh; 9 March 1954 – 5 May 1981) was a member (and leader in the Maze prison) of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) who died on hunger strike while imprisoned at HM Prison Maze in Northern Ireland. Sands helped to plan the 1976 Balmoral Furniture Company bombing in Dunmurry, which was followed by a gun battle with the Royal Ulster Constabulary. Sands was arrested while trying to escape and sentenced to 14 years for firearms possession.

He was the leader of the 1981 hunger strike in which Irish republican prisoners protested against the removal of Special Category Status. During Sands' strike, he was elected to the British Parliament as an Anti H-Block candidate. His death and those of nine other hunger strikers was followed by a new surge of IRA recruitment and activity. International media coverage brought attention to the hunger strikers, and the republican movement in general, attracting both praise and criticism.

...

SOURCE:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Sands

 

[Cleaner44]

Is it true that Bobby Sands was a socialist?

 

[Voluntarist]

Is it true that Bobby Sands was a socialist?

Per bobbysandstrust.com:

Of this time Bobby himself later wrote: ”I was only a working-class boy from a Nationalist ghetto, but it is repression that creates the revolutionary spirit of freedom. I shall not settle until I achieve liberation of my country, until Ireland becomes a sovereign, independent socialist republic.”

From his diary:

There is that much to be done that no select or small portion of people can do, only the greater mass of the Irish nation will ensure the achievement of the Socialist Republic, and that can only be done by hard work and sacrifice.

 

[osan]

Without googling I don't know what themme means or is?

I have explained that more than once here, but it is very possible you have never seen it. Theye/Themme/Theire: monikers referring to those in real material power in the human world. Some call the "elites", a term that connotes something superior in a positive way, a credit I do not feel Theye are due.

And just for completeness sake, I coined these terms long before the weirdos of "gender" perversion decided to make so much fuss and gratuitous, self-serving drama over their so-called pronouns.

As far as comparing the Chinese invading US to English occupation of Ireland. You are comparing apples to oranges.

How so? The Brits have no valid claim on Ireland, the Chinese none on America. I'd call them principled analogs.

What is going on in Northern Ireland is more tragic because it is a "brother war."

More tragic, less tragic. I won't argue who suffers more. We all suffer, and in both the cases in question there's plenty to go around.

Sure one group might have more Anglo Saxon blood while the other has more Celtic blood. One is Catholic and one is protestant. They are basically the same people after centuries the blood is mixed.

Mind is everything. Think on that really carefully.

If the Chinese invade the US I will happily watch as NYC and San Francisco burn to the ground.

Not at the hands of the Chinese, I wouldn't. If they self-destructed, that's different. Mind is everything.

Thus far, your point evades me, which is a result either of your failure to make it properly, or my teeny, tiny IQ. I suspect the latter. Help me here.

 

[mtr1979]

Thus far, your point evades me, which is a result either of your failure to make it properly, or my teeny, tiny IQ. I suspect the latter. Help me here.

Most likely it is because of my failure to make a point.

The main thing I wanted to get across was that I can never support or even give props to a commie, Marxist, or socialist no matter what they do. Then we got sidetracked going back and forth picking selected sentences and making counterpoints.

 

[WisconsinLiberty]

DSA International Committee
May 5, 2022

Irish socialist & revolutionary Bobby Sands died on hunger strike 41 years ago today, a martyr against British colonialism & for Irish national liberation. During today’s elections in the north of Ireland, we stand with those still fighting for a United Ireland. Tiocfaidh ár lá!

SOURCE:
https://twitter.com/dsa_intl_comm/status/1522343939403132928?lang=en

 

[osan]

Most likely it is because of my failure to make a point.

The main thing I wanted to get across was that I can never support or even give props to a commie, Marxist, or socialist no matter what they do. Then we got sidetracked going back and forth picking selected sentences and making counterpoints.

I'm not. Perhaps we just parse the words differently. I'm giving credit to a man who lived and died his convictions. Doesn't matter how wrong those convictions may be; that would be an entirely different issue for me. I may curse him for having been a marxist, but I will still respect his actions. It took a pair to do what he did and I must respect that, if I respect nothing else about him.

But your point is nonetheless well taken. We see the issue a mite differently, and I emphasize "mite". Communists/socialists murdered more than half my family. I have no love for them whatsoever. Given the power, I would kill them all and face my Maker with a clear conscience.

 

[69360]

We're calling the British filth right now. I'm not cool with that.

Why are we supporting a terrorist? It is weird when you Google Bobby Sands it is difficult to find anything negative about the guy. He is painted as a folk hero who didn't do anything bad. Why am I not surprised? He was after all part of a far-left Marxist group the IRA so he gets a free pass.

The problem is a lot of people have Irish blood so they can't look at guy like Sands objectively.

By the way I'm of mostly Irish decent. Whenever there is a movie and they have an Irish Gangster that gangster is using my surname. I grew up Catholic as well. I don't know if it is an Irish Catholic thing, but the level of cognitive dissonance in the community is unbelievable.

You aren't wrong. I'm Irish Catholic and grew up with friends parents who were active IRA supporters. I don't hate the British at all, not a marxist or socialist, but do think the British need to get out of Northern Ireland. So I would have supported the main cause of the IRA.

The Boston tea party was a terrorist act too, you can't look at historical events from a modern perspective.

 

[mtr1979]

You aren't wrong. I'm Irish Catholic and grew up with friends parents who were active IRA supporters. I don't hate the British at all, not a marxist or socialist, but do think the British need to get out of Northern Ireland. So I would have supported the main cause of the IRA.

The Boston tea party was a terrorist act too, you can't look at historical events from a modern perspective.

If the British need to get out of Ireland then why does the polling data not show support for a United Ireland? In most of the polls that I look at people want to remain in the UK. I'm sure you can cherry pick a poll that finds 90% in favor of unification.

To the best of my knowledge the last vote for a United Ireland was in 1973. Off the top of my head the results were a landslide victory to stay in the UK. The Catholics also boycotted the vote. Would it have even mattered if they had 100% turnout?

Catholics are now the majority in Northern Ireland, but yet the polling data still shows to remain in the UK.

 

[69360]

If the British need to get out of Ireland then why does the polling data not show support for a United Ireland? In most of the polls that I look at people want to remain in the UK. I'm sure you can cherry pick a poll that finds 90% in favor of unification.

To the best of my knowledge the last vote for a United Ireland was in 1973. Off the top of my head the results were a landslide victory to stay in the UK. The Catholics also boycotted the vote. Would it have even mattered if they had 100% turnout?

Catholics are now the majority in Northern Ireland, but yet the polling data still shows to remain in the UK.

Why? Because I am admittedly biased and it's my opinion that the British should leave.

 

[mtr1979]

Why? Because I am admittedly biased and it's my opinion that the British should leave.

Fair enough you are being forthright with your opinion. I'm just saying despite all the media propaganda and so forth. The poll numbers tell a different story a referendum for unification still wouldn't pass.

 

[osan]

I should add this, for honesty's sake: when Sands was going through that for which he is mostly remembered, I had no idea he was a Marxist. I was about 23 at the time and had the media given a fuller report, I cannot say with honest candor that I would have held the same opinion of him. Communists/socialists/leftists/otherformsoftyrannicalvermin were perhaps the major reason for my life being what it had been at the time. They'd murdered much of my family in the ways in which we are most of us well familiar in the days between 1914 and 1946. You might imagine I was no fan of the Soviets, Red Chinese, NAZIs, Democrats, and so forth. I exclude Republicans just to be a dick. Thankyouverymuch.

Had I known about his leanings, it may have mitigated my respect for his courage, though I cannot say it is so with certainty. Even in those days I endeavored to give credit where due, even to people I'd have otherwise seen tossed into a woodchipper, and there were several such stellar characters whose acts and/or openly expressed intentions for humanity or some subset thereof, merited such regard.

Holding uniformly equitable habits of regard for all is not an easy task. Giving due credit to an enemy can be challenging, particularly if you have not been trained to treat them as honored guests. I am grateful for having been so trained. Being the better man is always the right choice.