Religion

[AutoDas]

Same can be said about specific religions too. Muslims kill as many Muslims as anything else. People talk about Christianity prompting the inquisition, but more often than not the heretics were others who professed a faith in Christ.

I think any belief system that authorizes you to murder someone, either because they are a godless infidel, a damned protestant, or a genetically inferior race is a failed one. Seems to be a pretty simple test.

Do your beliefs lead you to kill another person outside of self defense?

Do your beliefs lead you to violate the property rights or liberties of another human being?

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality. Atheism is just a disbelief in god. Your religions say barbaric things and that is what you call morality.

 

[allyinoh]

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality. Atheism is just a disbelief in god. Your religions say barbaric things and that is what you call morality.

No one is truly atheistic. It's impossible.

ETA:Let me explain that a little bit further. Atheism is non-belief in a supreme or higher being. Everyone has something that keeps them going, motivates them. Possibly even worship. So, for some people, their god is money, cocaine, music, fixing up old cars, etc. Everyone has a "god."

 

[Bossobass]

In the book?

Let's take a look at the Bible's proper instruction on women, shall we?

Matthew 24:19 "[woe] to them that are with child"

I Corinthians 11:3-15 Man is head of woman; only man in God's image
14:34-35 Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah's nameless daughter sacrificed
19:22-29 Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man

Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit . . ."

Colossians 3:18 More "wives submit"

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14

Right....

What do Libertarian women think about this?

1Cor 14:33 "For God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace."

Eph 5:28, 29 "In this way husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself, for no man ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it...".

Matt 7:12 "All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean."

I have no idea what Libertarian women think about this, but I suspect that the current divorce rate may hold part of the answer.

Bosso

 

[haaaylee]

You know I've been thinking the same thing for a while now. Now I may be paranoid but after reading lots and lots of information on the illuminati, freemasonry, bohemian grove, and the skull and bones or the order of death at yale university (I know I know, laugh it up) and seeing the most prominent political figures on earth worshiping Satan through these orders, I have to believe that they know something I do not. That being said if there is a devil to worship then there must be a god as well. It's getting more and more like I just don't choose to believe in God but with all these other people so strongly believing in Satan and deriving much of their "power" from him, that one has to logically come to the conclusion that if Satan is real then so is God. No?

No.


The Bible (proven to be filled with forgeries) has tought us that there is a God and a Satan. But it's just a book. And, maybe that book is all apart of Satan's genius plan to make us all worship a false God only to secretly build a NWO of people to take us over!

Who knows.



Live Agnostic. Face reality.



Sometimes "I don't know" is a good answer ....

 

[sophocles07]

No one is truly atheistic. It's impossible.

ETA:Let me explain that a little bit further. Atheism is non-belief in a supreme or higher being. Everyone has something that keeps them going, motivates them. Possibly even worship. So, for some people, their god is money, cocaine, music, fixing up old cars, etc. Everyone has a "god."

Yes, but then we're entering into the realm of metaphor. Christian (or Hindu or whatever) god(s) are literal gods (in extreme cases), or immaterial gods; they are not metaphors (at least, not as presented by most believers); they are realities. If cocaine is your "god" it does not mean that cocaine is the absolute ruler of the universe, etc etc; it means cocaine is your master in whatever part of your life it has taken over; that's not a belief in a god, that's a physiological process expressed (by saying it is a "god") in metaphor.

 

[yongrel]

No one is truly atheistic. It's impossible.

ETA:Let me explain that a little bit further. Atheism is non-belief in a supreme or higher being. Everyone has something that keeps them going, motivates them. Possibly even worship. So, for some people, their god is money, cocaine, music, fixing up old cars, etc. Everyone has a "god."

No, not everyone has a God. I friggin' love Cheez Whiz, but it is not my God. I am extremely motivated by my desire for thick wool socks, but they are not my god either.

Atheism can take two main forms (that' I've encountered): The absence of belief in a supreme being, and the belief that there is no supreme being. There is a distinct difference.

As an atheist, I find it a bit insulting to be told that I have a god. I don't.

 

[Theocrat]

Your Religion Knows No Moral Bounds, Kade

I don't know about exonerating him from being a Christian, but I take more offense to Theocrat claimning that he was a non-believer, and performed his acts because he didn't believe in God....

Hitler acted as one would expect a non-believer to act: establishing his own moral standards, not fearing God in how he treated his neighbor, killing and injuring millions with no expectation that he would have to answer before a just and holy God on Judgment Day, etc.

Some non-believers would judge what Hitler did to be wrong, but I ask why not, if the "atheist's" view is correct? Philosophically speaking, according to "Atheism"/naturalism, what Hitler did to one pack of animals is ethically irrelevant. He was restoring the species of the Aryan race through methods of his own interpretation of natural selection. His naturalistic religion was determined on his own grounds, so how can any "atheist" objectively and truthfully judge what Hitler did to be wrong? That's why I said his non-belief in God (which he hid behind a cross in the highest form of hypocrisy a human can commit) attributed to his horrific acts against an entire group of society.

My moral compass is my own, and I explained how I came to it. That Theocrat wants to tell me that I have no compelling reason to be moral without god, it actually makes me fear the guy, and I think he secretly enjoys that... he has talked about bathing in my blood before.

Once again, if you can have your own moral compass, then Hitler can have his. After all, for him might made right. What makes you any more privileged than Hitler to possess and determine your own moral compass, if he cannot have his own for what he did? Once again, "atheists" have to be arbitrary when deciding standards of morality, because they lack the preconditions of intelligibility to establish a right view of morality. So, yes, you do not have any compelling or rational reason to justify your own moral standards without God.

I don't wish for any man to fear me, nor did I enjoy it (That's just sick.). I'm not God; I'm just a man like you. As for me "bathing in your blood," I never said that. I was speaking metaphorically about the destruction of "Atheism," not the "atheist" himself. Quit your lies and slander about me on these forums to make me look like the bad guy, Kade.

 

[allyinoh]

No, not everyone has a God. I friggin' love Cheez Whiz, but it is not my God. I am extremely motivated by my desire for thick wool socks, but they are not my god either.

Atheism can take two main forms (that' I've encountered): The absence of belief in a supreme being, and the belief that there is no supreme being. There is a distinct difference.

As an atheist, I find it a bit insulting to be told that I have a god. I don't.

I'm not trying to insult but if you take it that way you take it that way. I'm not going to apologize for my opinion as everyone has the right to have an one.

Literal, imaginary, material, immaterial, we all have gods. For everyone it's different. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it. I've been insulted from people before on this board and haven't proclaimed that until now and don't expect an apology because I understand that people are going to feel how they feel.

 

[wv@SC]

No.


The Bible (proven to be filled with forgeries) has tought us that there is a God and a Satan. But it's just a book. And, maybe that book is all apart of Satan's genius plan to make us all worship a false God only to secretly build a NWO of people to take us over!

Who knows.



Live Agnostic. Face reality.



Sometimes "I don't know" is a good answer ....

Have you done extensive study in the text of the Bible down through the ages? Can you prove that the Bible is filled with forgeries? Please be more specific.

You will not be satisfied or happy in your life with just saying you do not know all the time. We are created with a nature of curiosity, to explore and take dominion of the rest of creation. We have been given the laws of logic to be used in inductive and deductive analyses of the uniform universe in which we live.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Let's take a look at the Bible's proper instruction on women, shall we?

Matthew 24:19 "[woe] to them that are with child"

You've literally taken this out of context. Jesus is speaking about the End Times. He is telling the people that when The Abomination of Desolation occurs (I don't know exactly what this is, but it's not good) then the people will flee to the mountains and people should not try to go home and prepare or get stuff to take with them. I understand that verse 19 is a warning to women that it will be extremely difficult (probably both physically and emotionally) in that time if one is pregnant or nursing. Then it goes on to say that it will be worse if the event is in the winter or on a Sabbath.

I Corinthians 11:3-15 Man is head of woman; only man in God's image
14:34-35 Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands

Now, some will disagree with me on this, but here is my perspective. Jesus did not teach this. Paul taught this. It is a suggestion, it is Paul's interpretation of how "Christians" should behave. If you keep reading, Paul says in verse 16 "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God." I take my marching orders from Jesus. This being said, there is a reason Paul came to this conclusion. I do try to defer to my husband and in our 11 years of marriage it works for us.

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah's nameless daughter sacrificed
19:22-29 Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man

I don't know. There is value to the Old Testament, but I'm a Christian not a Jew. Jesus wouldn't advocate for this.

Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit . . ."

Colossians 3:18 More "wives submit"

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14

Right....

What do Libertarian women think about this?

I think I explained my take on this above. Again, Jesus didn't teach these things, Paul did. Jesus had very close women disciples. I suspect Paul's affliction greatly affects his attitude toward women but that mystery is not for me to know.

 

[allyinoh]

LLS-The "abomination of desolation" is thought/said to be the anti-christ.

 

[Hiki]

I find it funny how the Bible is filled with those terrible things but everyone then just goes and says "Well Jesus taught otherwise". All that cherry picking of what's good and what's not. Why cant you just forget about the whole book, or on the other hand just take the gospels with Jesus and forget about the other books. Wait, you cant do that. The Old Testament (including most of the bad stuff) does make a huge part of your Holy Book, so you cant just toss if aside can you?

 

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What if someone's will is to harm somebody else? Hmmm, I guess Wiccans didn't think about that moral option...

You didn't even read it. Do what you will as long as it harms none.

 

[LittleLightShining]

LLS-The "abomination of desolation" is thought/said to be the anti-christ.

There are all sorts of theories about what exactly this is. I'm not completely convinced it's the anti-christ.

I find it funny how the Bible is filled with those terrible things but everyone then just goes and says "Well Jesus taught otherwise". All that cherry picking of what's good and what's not. Why cant you just forget about the whole book, or on the other hand just take the gospels with Jesus and forget about the other books. Wait, you cant do that. The Old Testament (including most of the bad stuff) does make a huge part of your Holy Book, so you cant just toss if aside can you?

You didn't really read my last post, did you? Paul himself said that there was no such custom. Jesus didn't teach that. This is part of the reason why I do not fit in at Church. I will not worship the words of a man who expounds on the teaching of Jesus when I have the words of Jesus himself. But, if you notice, despite my saying that I find practical value in that teaching despite it not being Jesus' words.

I'm not tossing aside the OT. The OT was the way it WAS. Then Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies. He gave us a new law, commonly known as the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your neighbor as yourself.

You have no desire to understand, only to try to prove your side. Because of this you show your ignorance.

 

[TER]

Atheism can take two main forms (that' I've encountered): The absence of belief in a supreme being, and the belief that there is no supreme being. There is a distinct difference.

What does this mean? Could you expound on that?

 

[allyinoh]

There are all sorts of theories about what exactly this is. I'm not completely convinced it's the anti-christ.

Yeah I agree. It just popped in my head.

Revelations among other things are still very confusing to me.

 

[Dr.3D]

Yeah I agree. It just popped in my head.

Revelations among other things are still very confusing to me.

Perhaps this web site will help.

http://www.wake-up.org/

 

[allyinoh]

Perhaps this web site will help.

http://www.wake-up.org/

Thank you.

 

[rational thinker]

So, what'd I miss since I was last banned for posting about a topic similar to this one?