Reince Priebus makes nice with Ron Paul forces

[acptulsa]

Actually China has become much more free market lately, and in fact, some could even say that in some specific instances they are more free than the US.

But to the main point, of course we have leverage in the Republican Party.

I see. So, we're slightly less free than Communist China but exert leverage over half of the One Party System. You just won't mention how much leverage. Doesn't fit the spin.

You'll see the libertarian rhetoric ratcheted up in the next few years, and they will do that in an attempt to pacify us because they know they'll lose our votes otherwise.

O great political guru, tell us--do our almost ten percent really count, or are we getting enough people thinking about their crap that they now feel the need to convince the semi-interested and not-active-enough-to-know-better that our real conservatism is influencing the party?

Also if we had no leverage, then why did Preibus come to some of our people to make promises? They don't just make promises out of generosity.

We have influence, not leverage. There is, Mr. Political Guru, a difference. And of course they make promises out of generosity. Nothing bespeaks their generosity, Mr. Political Guru, like their promises. The way they break those promises certainly doesn't bespeak of their generosity, does it?

If we had leverage, Mr. Political Guru, Priebus would be out. When they kiss our asses, they're trying to convince the people we talk to that when we make good sense, the politicians do listen. But they don't listen--at least until corporate money and/or our efforts to primary them speaks.

Comments, Mr. Political Guru?

Same reason Romney's team didn't want Ron to be nominated from the floor - they want to appear as a unified front. If you threaten that, then in some cases you can get them to give you things you wouldn't otherwise have gotten.

And you wonder why some people here say you come off as an ass. And if creating an obvious, highly visible fissure in the face of the GOP is just the thing to get us our liberties back without bloodshed? If that fissure is the very thing that can enable millions to see the truth, and better perform their duty in a republic of providing intelligent restraint to the lawmakers? Is your game more important than this? Will you give up on the whole ball game just to pad your at-bat stats? Are you incapable of drawing a line in the sand and standing pat? Or are you just so overwhelmed by the name-dropping you'll get to do tomorrow that you can't figure out where to draw that line?

If you had any idea how thoroughly you sound like a dog begging Our Masters for a bone, you'd shut the hell up.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

I dont trust the GOP.

Two words.."rules change" all thier gonna do is move the goal post.

pfft...promises. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Matt Collins]

They make promises because they're politicians, Matt.

Keeping their promises is something they have no intention of doing. And I'll hold my breath while I wait for the mainstream GOP get upset with the leadership because they broke a few promises to the Ron Paul people. That should happen between the time-frame of 'highly unlikely' and 'never.'

No, when deals are made, you typically don't break them, doing so can be very very very bad for you.

 

[Matt Collins]

We have influence, not leverage. There is, Mr. Political Guru, a difference. And of course they make promises out of generosity. Nothing bespeaks their generosity, Mr. Political Guru, like their promises.

Incorrect, they are not generous, they only make promises when they have to.

 

[kathy88]

No, when deals are made, you typically don't break them, doing so can be very very very bad for you.

I would be really looking forward to the day when your blind naivety comes back to bite you if it wouldn't hurt the r3volution.

 

[acptulsa]

Incorrect, they are not generous, they only make promises when they have to.

You're the one who's incorrect if you think my point was that they are as generous as they want to appear. And not too bright.

I would be really looking forward to the day when your blind naivety comes back to bite you if it wouldn't hurt the r3volution.

Underestimating the enemy is a bad thing. But overestimating the enemy can be just as bad. Don't worry.

 

[nobody's_hero]

No, when deals are made, you typically don't break them, doing so can be very very very bad for you.

Oh I'm sure they'll pay just as much heed to verbal promises they make to us, as they did to the written rules of the party. Kathy's right, bro. You've done gone flat-out naive on us.

Bring back the old Matt.

 

[weilian]

Oh I'm sure they'll pay just as much heed to verbal promises they make to us, as they did to the written rules of the party. Kathy's right, bro. You've done gone flat-out naive on us.

Bring back the old Matt.

What old Matt? He's showing his true colours.

 

[XPhobic76]

I see. So, we're slightly less free than Communist China but exert leverage over half of the One Party System. You just won't mention how much leverage. Doesn't fit the spin.



O great political guru, tell us--do our almost ten percent really count, or are we getting enough people thinking about their crap that they now feel the need to convince the semi-interested and not-active-enough-to-know-better that our real conservatism is influencing the party?



We have influence, not leverage. There is, Mr. Political Guru, a difference. And of course they make promises out of generosity. Nothing bespeaks their generosity, Mr. Political Guru, like their promises. The way they break those promises certainly doesn't bespeak of their generosity, does it?

If we had leverage, Mr. Political Guru, Priebus would be out. When they kiss our asses, they're trying to convince the people we talk to that when we make good sense, the politicians do listen. But they don't listen--at least until corporate money and/or our efforts to primary them speaks.

Comments, Mr. Political Guru?



And you wonder why some people here say you come off as an ass. And if creating an obvious, highly visible fissure in the face of the GOP is just the thing to get us our liberties back without bloodshed? If that fissure is the very thing that can enable millions to see the truth, and better perform their duty in a republic of providing intelligent restraint to the lawmakers? Is your game more important than this? Will you give up on the whole ball game just to pad your at-bat stats? Are you incapable of drawing a line in the sand and standing pat? Or are you just so overwhelmed by the name-dropping you'll get to do tomorrow that you can't figure out where to draw that line?

If you had any idea how thoroughly you sound like a dog begging Our Masters for a bone, you'd shut the hell up.

I think we're looking at this the wrong way. It's not whether Priebus will give Nevada or Iowa something, which he probably will even if nominal. It is how we are percieved by the rest of the Republicans. The 'establishment,' which is not monolithic, is losing many members of the Republican coalition. Plato wrote in the Republic that the tyrant will invent foreign enemies in order to consolidate his support at home. If the liberty movement appears like it only wants to fight, even when the fight is a dead one (Priebus was going to win anyways), then those who are ripe to joining with us will rally around the establishment.

Yesterday I attended an event held by the Christian Coalition of South Florida. You know what the topic was? Nullification! And to my great suprise, everyone attending agreed that nullification is the way to go. After the event I talked to a lot of the people there, some of who were members of the local party and voted against 'our guys' in the election. It turns out that many people voted for the 'establishment' candidate because someone posted on their facebook page that there was a revolution occuring and that the party was to be 'taken over.' We lost by only two votes...

These people agree with us on almost everything, and like us they are tired of some Republicans 'selling out.' We cannot scare them away. If a bunch of tea-party and evangelicals are embracing the idea of nullification, then momentum is on our side. There is a massive coalition to be built with the liberty movement, the tea-party, and the evangelicals. Our dispostion must be accomodating. My recomendation is that every one of you guys join your local party, even as an alternate if need be. That all of you go to the events held by the groups that we KNOW agree with us (even if they don't know it yet). And that you invite them to your events. In two years, you will see that we will have the numbers and the real leverage.