Reince Priebus makes nice with Ron Paul forces

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...I assure you that the people in question, at least the ones that I know about, are making great sacrifice for the cause and are not in it for their own benefit. Do you REALLY think that people like AJ Spiker have nothing better to do than run the IAGOP and constantly fight wars on multiple fronts spending time away from his family and having constant stress? Don't you think these guys could be spending their time doing other more leisurely activities instead of getting into the dirt of politics?

I am not remarking on AJ Spiker, but ^THIS^ is utterly disingenuous.

CLEARLY, there are many many many in the comparatively small but extraordinarily fucked up Political Class who LOVE politics & politicking. It is how they make their livings, fer cryin' out loud. They "look forward" to working with so-and-so on such-and-such, year after year after year after business-as-usual year.

"...Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul let it be known through his chief of staff that he looked forward to working with Priebus the next two years, a tacit acknowledgement that Priebus had the votes he needed locked up."

The more politicking, the more politicking...same as LAWYERING breeds "need" for more Lawyering.

 

[sailingaway]

Same reason Romney's team didn't want Ron to be nominated from the floor - they want to appear as a unified front. If you threaten that, then in some cases you can get them to give you things you wouldn't otherwise have gotten.

And I think all supporting Ron should have fought through convention as well, precisely BECAUSE that break in the armor would have given major attention to what Ron had to say. Giving up what the supporters who put people in those positions were fighting for to begin with seems like betrayal, to me.

Perhaps people on here just have different beliefs about that sort of thing.

 

[Matt Collins]

I am not remarking on AJ Spiker, but ^THIS^ is utterly disingenuous.

CLEARLY, there are many many many in the comparatively small but extraordinarily fucked up Political Class who LOVE politics & politicking. It is how they make their livings, fer cryin' out loud. They "look forward" to working with so-and-so on such-and-such, year after year after year after business-as-usual year.

"...Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul let it be known through his chief of staff that he looked forward to working with Priebus the next two years, a tacit acknowledgement that Priebus had the votes he needed locked up."

The more politicking, the more politicking...same as LAWYERING breeds "need" for more Lawyering.

You need to understand the difference between rhetoric and actions. Rand didn't endorse Preibus.

 

[Matt Collins]

And I think all supporting Ron should have fought through convention as well, precisely BECAUSE that break in the armor would have given major attention to what Ron had to say. Giving up what the supporters who put people in those positions were fighting for to begin with seems like betrayal, to me.

Perhaps people on here just have different beliefs about that sort of thing.

Fair enough, but maybe Ron didn't want to do that? Maybe Ron wanted to allow bridges to be built so that Rand could have a shot at the nomination in 2016? Have you considered that?

 

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You need to understand the difference between rhetoric and actions. Rand didn't endorse Preibus.

YOU need to understand the difference between "taking back our country" and "getting in good with Republicans".

Also between "right" and Righteousness.

 

[sailingaway]

Fair enough, but maybe Ron didn't want to do that? Maybe Ron wanted to allow bridges to be built so that Rand could have a shot at the nomination in 2016? Have you considered that?

HE fought to the end.

And if he hadn't I'd think less of him, not more of those who didn't.

 

[Matt Collins]

YOU need to understand the difference between "taking back our country" and "getting in good with Republicans"..

You don't win a Republican primary by pissing off Republicans. Just sayin'

 

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You don't win a Republican primary by pissing off Republicans. Just sayin'

And you don't win General Elections by sucking up to "Right" Wing Extremists.

 

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Bentonism is the playing down of Ron Paul’s most popular and important ideas, the impatience with and purging of people who champion those ideas, and an obsessive eye to GOP respectability. Is that what the “liberty movement” is? Then count me out.[] Maybe now people will understand why Jesse would fly into a tirade after some of Ron’s most heroic moments, when the rest of us were cheering. -Tom Woods

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[Matt Collins]

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I like Tom, he's a brilliant historian, author, economist, and Constitutionalist, but he doesn't have any understanding about politics or elections.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I like Tom, he's a brilliant historian, author, economist, and Constitutionalist, but he doesn't have any understanding about politics or elections.

Thank God Jesse Benton does.

 

[nobody's_hero]

They had leverage, and instead of fighting a losing battle, they held their leverage and used it when it counted. Now that Preibus "owes them one" so to speak, that is very powerful to have the sitting RNC Chair having your back.

Of FFS man, you're delusional. Saying we have leverage in the GOP is like saying anarcho-capitalists have a chance to work with the overwhelming number of Chinese communists in power, to spread free-market ideas.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, but keep in mind most of us ' don't know anything about politics':

If you win, if you get to sit on the throne, you don't have to listen to shit. That's how it works.

 

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I like Tom, he's a brilliant historian, author, economist, and Constitutionalist, but he doesn't have any understanding about politics or elections.

Cure Penis Brie does?

 

[presence]

Oh electorally brilliant Cure Penis Brie, why was the outcome of the vote on the Teleprompter before it happened?

[video=youtube;1Er75-sS5As]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1Er75-sS5As[/video]

 

[presence]

Oh politically wise Cure Penis Brie, why did you wipe your ass with Ron Paul's nomination papers? Constantly fight wars on multiple fronts AJ Spiker, how does one properly call for a "point of order"?

 

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Matt Larson 1/3/2013

 

[thoughtomator]

We will get stabbed in the back - guaranteed.

 

[Matt Collins]

Of FFS man, you're delusional. Saying we have leverage in the GOP is like saying anarcho-capitalists have a chance to work with the overwhelming number of Chinese communists in power, to spread free-market ideas.

Actually China has become much more free market lately, and in fact, some could even say that in some specific instances they are more free than the US.

But to the main point, of course we have leverage in the Republican Party. You'll see the libertarian rhetoric ratcheted up in the next few years, and they will do that in an attempt to pacify us because they know they'll lose our votes otherwise. Also if we had no leverage, then why did Preibus come to some of our people to make promises? They don't just make promises out of generosity.

 

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Also if we had no leverage, then why did Preibus come to some of our people to make promises? They don't just make promises out of generosity.

Smoke and mirrors semblance of party unity? Pay no attention to the 800lb gorilla; he's with us.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Actually China has become much more free market lately, and in fact, some could even say that in some specific instances they are more free than the US.

But to the main point, of course we have leverage in the Republican Party. You'll see the libertarian rhetoric ratcheted up in the next few years, and they will do that in an attempt to pacify us because they know they'll lose our votes otherwise. Also if we had no leverage, then why did Preibus come to some of our people to make promises? They don't just make promises out of generosity.

They make promises because they're politicians, Matt.

Keeping their promises is something they have no intention of doing. And I'll hold my breath while I wait for the mainstream GOP get upset with the leadership because they broke a few promises to the Ron Paul people. That should happen between the time-frame of 'highly unlikely' and 'never.'

What exactly did he promise us anyway? That' he'd do better next time? That he didn't mean to shit all over us at convention and it was all just a big misunderstanding? That maybe Priebus really wanted to call Ron Paul up on the stage to speak but he forgot to do that once Romney started jizzing on Priebus's face?