'Red Team' proposed to sign off on drone strikes against Americans

[green73]

Senate Intelligence Committee lawmakers voted to have an independent "red team" panel review presidential decisions to target overseas Americans suspected of terrorism for drone strikes.

“This common sense legislation also improves accountability and oversight of counterterrorism policy by requiring this and future administrations to share important information about these programs with Congress and the intelligence community's inspector general," said Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.

Rubio offered the legislation along with Sen. Angus King, an independent from Maine, who caucuses with Senate Democrats.

The legislation, which was attached to the intelligence funding bill, requires the director of national intelligence (currently James Clapper) to appoint an independent "red team" to review the case for drone strikes against overseas Americans suspected of terrorism.

"[T]he executive branch should not serve as the judge, the jury and the executioner in these cases, and I believe this amendment is a vital step forward in balancing our critical national security needs with the basic constitutional rights that we cherish as Americans,” King said.

The vote gives Rubio a policy victory to lay alongside the filibuster Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., launched against President Obama's drone program in March, which could come in handy if the two Tea Party senators both seek the Republican nomination in 2016.

Paul's filibuster forced Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to state on the record that the administration does not "have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on an American soil."

Rubio was a prominent supporter of Paul at the time, engaging in colloquy with him in an effort to give him a break from talking. King appeared on the Senate floor towards the end of that filibuster.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/intel...es-against-americans-overseas/article/2538629

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Wonderful. I feel so much safer already. I'm so glad the government tries to do good and looks out for me and my safety.

 

[green73]

Wonderful. I feel so much safer already. I'm so glad the government tries to do good and looks out for me and my safety.

Isn't incrementalism wonderful? Conservatives don't fight to abolish a practice that until recently was unthinkable, they put their tweak of approval on it and claim victory.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Isn't incrementalism wonderful? Conservatives don't fight to abolish a practice that until recently was unthinkable, they put their tweak of approval on it and claim victory.

Rubio isn't a conservative; he's just another big government establishment pukehead. ie. leftist

 

[green73]

Rubio isn't a conservative.

My bad: Republicans.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Isn't incrementalism wonderful? Conservatives don't fight to abolish a practice that until recently was unthinkable, they put their tweak of approval on it and claim victory.

Freedom and liberty!

 

[LibertyEagle]

My bad: Republicans.

It appears to be news to you that there is a fight going on in the Republican Party. The libertarian-leaning Rs against the totalitarian leftist Rs.

Oh, but if this is supposed to be yet another quittertarian thread, please excuse me. Carry on.

 

[green73]

It appears to be news to you that there is a fight going on in the Republican Party. The libertarian-leaning Rs against the totalitarian leftist Rs.

I'll remind you that Rand's filibuster was solely about droning Americans on American soil. And he seems ok with the idea of doing that to fight crime. That's incrementalism.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I'll remind you that Rand's filibuster was solely about droning Americans on American soil. And he seems ok with the idea of doing that to fight crime. That's incrementalism.

And his abolish the TSA proposal was simply having the TSA and DHS hire a 'private' group to carry out duties handed down by the TSA/DHS. His drone stopping legislation legalized drone use by government warrant. Far from actually banning drones, it would make it legal for the government to use them on American soil.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'll remind you that Rand's filibuster was solely about droning Americans on American soil. And he seems ok with the idea of doing that to fight crime. That's incrementalism.

With a warrant for a specific, limited purpose. Look, you're not going to stop technology. Personally, I think computers have done far more harm to our liberty, than good, but there was never a hope of stopping them. In my opinion, what you have to do is to constrain their use.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

With a warrant for a specific, limited purpose. Look, you're not going to stop technology. Personally, I think computers have done far more harm to our liberty, than good, but there was never a hope of stopping them. In my opinion, what you have to do is to constrain their use.

During his filibuster, he actually said that he supports the use of drones against imminent threats on American soil:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorRandPaul/posts/546563328729808

So he supports lethal drone use both on imminent threats and with use of a warrant. On US soil. Even worse, his standard of imminent threat used in during his filibuster was someone who robbed a convenience store and had a gun on their person.

It is outright frightening if the liberty movement is going to cheer and support these statements and actions. If this is the case, it's time to pack up and go home, because the statists have won.

 

[LibertyEagle]

During his filibuster, he actually said that he supports the use of drones against imminent threats on American soil:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorRandPaul/posts/546563328729808

So he supports lethal drone use both on imminent threats and with use of a warrant. On US soil. Even worse, his standard of imminent threat used in during his filibuster was someone who robbed a convenience store and had a gun on their person.

And I don't like that. I think it should only be done with a warrant.

 

[green73]

And I don't like that. I think it should only be done with a warrant.

Bombs, .50 cal rounds, or both?

 

[twomp]

With a warrant for a specific, limited purpose. Look, you're not going to stop technology. Personally, I think computers have done far more harm to our liberty, than good, but there was never a hope of stopping them. In my opinion, what you have to do is to constrain their use.

Not trying to pick an argument with you here LE (lord knows I've argued with you before) but I was wondering why you think computers have done more harm to our liberty? I am of the view that computers have helped us learn faster and given us a resource for news without a government filter attached.

 

[dinosaur]

Shouldn't everyone be allowed to own drones? It is killing and spying and trespassing that should be illegal.

[T]he executive branch should not serve as the judge, the jury and the executioner in these cases, and I believe this amendment is a vital step forward in balancing our critical national security needs with the basic constitutional rights that we cherish as Americans,” King said.

But members of the congressional branch team should be judge and jury?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Not trying to pick an argument with you here LE (lord knows I've argued with you before) but I was wondering why you think computers have done more harm to our liberty? I am of the view that computers have helped us learn faster and given us a resource for news without a government filter attached.

Yes, but they have allowed the government to spy on most every transaction and move we make. They also have allowed the government to store volumes of data about us that they can quickly put their fingers on, sort through, share with everyone and their dog, etc. Without computers, there would be no drones and wars would be far more personal, so to speak, and would receive far less support.

But, they are here, so along with drones, we have to figure out how to use the technology to our best advantage. It's not going to go away. We have a lot of bright people on our side. Imagine if some of them turned their attention to this. Just griping that they exist isn't helping anything, but doing the latter could really.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Shouldn't everyone be allowed to own drones? It is killing and spying and trespassing that should be illegal.

But members of the congressional branch team should be judge and jury?

+1

 

[twomp]

Yes, but they have allowed the government to spy on most every transaction and move we make. They also have allowed the government to store volumes of data about us that they can quickly put their fingers on, sort through, share with everyone and their dog, etc. Without computers, there would be no drones and wars would be far more personal, so to speak, and would receive far less support.

But, they are here, so along with drones, we have to figure out how to use the technology to our best advantage. It's not going to go away. We have a lot of bright people on our side. Imagine if some of them turned their attention to this. Just griping that they exist isn't helping anything, but doing the latter could really.

Makes a lot of sense!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bombs, .50 cal rounds, or both?

I was talking about using them to locate that person. I don't think they should be armed at all, of course. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I still believe in that.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Senate Intelligence Committee lawmakers voted to have an independent "red team" panel review presidential decisions to target overseas Americans suspected of terrorism for drone strikes.

In 6 months, buried in some monstrously huge piece of unrelated, but must past legislation:

Modify public law whatever, by striking the word "overseas" from section 8, line four.

Senate Intelligence Committee lawmakers voted to have an independent "red team" panel review presidential decisions to target overseas Americans suspected of terrorism for drone strikes.

Then they will probably re-define independent red team to mean the the autonomous AI in the drone.

HHEEEEELLLLOOOOOO SKYNET!



-t