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If the sheep panic, they will vote for someone who promises to give them more welfare and more 'safety nets' and proposes more state control over the economy. Don't forget the indoctrination we all recieve that the govt. must take extraordinary measures to 'help' us in times of crisis.
 
If the stock market crashes (or the dollar crashes, or both), it'll be the perfect opportunity to point this out to non-Ron Paul supporters; no other candidate is talking about the recession (and possibly soon to be depression) that we're in, no other candidate is talking about sound money, the gold standard, actually helping the economy, etc.

The other candidates only know how to talk about stupid economic stimuli, social programs, and "cutting taxes" (without cutting spending).

I hope our stock market gets run into the ground....it'll crash the whole economy, then the fed will inject billions upon billions, which will cause the dollar to hyper-inflate and the foreign countries to dump our dollar...which will crash our dollar, at the end of the day.

with the stock market and the dollar dead, people might be willing to put aside a few of their "civil liberties" beliefs (on the Federal level, that is), their "we must be at war beliefs" to vote for Ron Paul....after all, the candidate who has all the answers, during a crash, almost always wins.....look at FDR (though he swindled everyone, as he had absolutely NO answers in actuality).
 
Fox McCloud said:
If the stock market crashes (or the dollar crashes, or both), it'll be the perfect opportunity to point this out to non-Ron Paul supporters; no other candidate is talking about the recession (and possibly soon to be depression) that we're in, no other candidate is talking about sound money, the gold standard, actually helping the economy, etc.

The other candidates only know how to talk about stupid economic stimuli, social programs, and "cutting taxes" (without cutting spending).

I hope our stock market gets run into the ground....it'll crash the whole economy, then the fed will inject billions upon billions, which will cause the dollar to hyper-inflate and the foreign countries to dump our dollar...which will crash our dollar, at the end of the day.

with the stock market and the dollar dead, people might be willing to put aside a few of their "civil liberties" beliefs (on the Federal level, that is), their "we must be at war beliefs" to vote for Ron Paul....after all, the candidate who has all the answers, during a crash, almost always wins.....look at FDR (though he swindled everyone, as he had absolutely NO answers in actuality).
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Please define this 'recession' we are in. Because, according to economic text books, we are NOT in a recession. A recession is 6 straight months of economic downsizing. To date, our economy is still growing, just slowly. Recession is the wrong word to use I think. We need to find a better term that fits what is currently happening or else we will continue to get debunked by people who use the terms as well.
 
Fyretrohl said:
Please define this 'recession' we are in. Because, according to economic text books, we are NOT in a recession. A recession is 6 straight months of economic downsizing. To date, our economy is still growing, just slowly. Recession is the wrong word to use I think. We need to find a better term that fits what is currently happening or else we will continue to get debunked by people who use the terms as well.
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If you ignore the bogus GDP deflator that the govt uses and examine GDP in Gold then we have been in a recession for quite some time. The stats are bogus, ask Peter Schiff: http://news.goldseek.com/EuroCapital/1193949983.php
 
Fyretrohl said:
Please define this 'recession' we are in. Because, according to economic text books, we are NOT in a recession. A recession is 6 straight months of economic downsizing. To date, our economy is still growing, just slowly. Recession is the wrong word to use I think. We need to find a better term that fits what is currently happening or else we will continue to get debunked by people who use the terms as well.
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Actually, it's two or more consecutive quarters of decreased GDP.
 
Fyretrohl said:
Please define this 'recession' we are in. Because, according to economic text books, we are NOT in a recession. A recession is 6 straight months of economic downsizing. To date, our economy is still growing, just slowly. Recession is the wrong word to use I think. We need to find a better term that fits what is currently happening or else we will continue to get debunked by people who use the terms as well.
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That textbook definition is true, but the government is not accurately reporting inflation. The housing crisis began more than 6 months ago. The record Dow jones in october was a bubble produced by the Fed. We are now seeing the 10-20% correction in the DOW. Yes there is still growth, but for the past 6 months we have been downsizing our projected growth, because the men behind the scenes don't want to release the truth. It would cause a panic and an immediate end to their wars, which is the LAST thing this administration wants, they would rather lie, and let the rich avoid the coming disaster, and slam the middle class into depression.
 
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Fyretrohl said:
Please define this 'recession' we are in. Because, according to economic text books, we are NOT in a recession. A recession is 6 straight months of economic downsizing. To date, our economy is still growing, just slowly. Recession is the wrong word to use I think. We need to find a better term that fits what is currently happening or else we will continue to get debunked by people who use the terms as well.
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Recession is a lagging indicator, so you can be in one without knowing until 5-6 months (two quarters) later.

Take a look at what is going on in the markets since the new year, and especially whats going on overseas today.

Go read this, it should ruin your day a bit:

http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=24778
 
yep, I am not a "conspiratorial" type, but i do have a healthy distrust of governments and their apologists and court economists. From what i have read, the government statistics are lies, and we are in a recession, but as mentioned, the way it is defined, to be in a recession, you almost have to be looking backwards, so to speak.
 
What i can't understand is how rich powerful men would not know that doing this to their own economy is going to affect them detrimentally down the track and to avoid recession at all costs. What am i missing? I have not a clue about economics except that it is a good idea to give til it hurts to Dr Paul!
 
raiha said:
What i can't understand is how rich powerful men would not know that doing this to their own economy is going to affect them detrimentally down the track and to avoid recession at all costs. What am i missing? I have not a clue about economics except that it is a good idea to give til it hurts to Dr Paul!
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It doesn't affect them long term. They STILL have enough money to buy up all the stuff that gets sold dirt cheap- stocks, land, etc. Then in 10 yrs they've made on hell of a profit when the markets return.
 
raiha said:
What i can't understand is how rich powerful men would not know that doing this to their own economy is going to affect them detrimentally down the track and to avoid recession at all costs. What am i missing? I have not a clue about economics except that it is a good idea to give til it hurts to Dr Paul!
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The "rich powerful men", aka the money masters do not owe their allegiance to one particular country or economy. They play all sides of the fence and no matter what happens, they gain.

To understand why they are sabotaging this country you need to understand the agenda. The goal is ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. The US was too powerful and needed to be brought down in line with the rest of the world. Similarly other countries were behind and needed to be brought up. By crippling our economy and destroying jobs, we pave the way for elimination of our national sovereignty. The more we are weakened, the easier it will be for the rest of the world to force us to submit to U.N. rule, to abide by the W.T.O., follow the Kyoto protocols, allow entry of U.N. Peacekeeping army members, etc.
 
If you take ALL the INFLATIONARY out of the GDP and account for all AMERICA that are not counted once their UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE ends... AND remove all the NEW HIRINGS in GOVERNMENT (FED/STATE/LOCAL) employees.(BECAUSE this is a TAX BURDEN)

WHAT's the FIGURES indicate NOW?
 
raiha said:
What i can't understand is how rich powerful men would not know that doing this to their own economy is going to affect them detrimentally down the track and to avoid recession at all costs. What am i missing? I have not a clue about economics except that it is a good idea to give til it hurts to Dr Paul!
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Because they are "the house" in the casino known as "the markets."
 
I can't wait for this years depression :cool: Why? Because a depression means RP will be our new commander in chief :D Says who? Says holy men and famous European banks. ;)
 
because the men behind the scenes don't want to release the truth. It would cause a panic
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I would never do this as a representative of the people. Not telling the populous any non-strategic information is unacceptable, even for reason of "public panic."

These are the same old guys that wouldn't tell their wives of the affair they just had or the thousands of dollars they might 'lose' somewhere, because it would cause undue 'stress'.

Honesty is the best policy, and the fact the the 1950's beat into the people's head that it would be a good thing for the government to keep (just a couple) secrets astounds me. It wasn't the time of panic that eroded many of our liberties - it was the lull of success, when many people could afford to subsidize the expanding government, and were convinced that the suits 'knew better'.

The video at the bottom of the teaparty page (45 mins on the Fed Reserve) had it right: the Fed, while having good intentions, cannot "manage" the economy indefinitely. Sure its useful to smooth out bumps, but ultimately it is run by people looking out for their own survival, and as things get bad around it, the FedReserve is only exacerbating problems.

If we knew a lower bank-to-bank rate would help the economy, wouldn't it have been done before the 08 scare? Same for any type of 'stimulus' - if it helps the economy, why weren't we already doing it? (and 500 federal reserve notes? WTF is that going to do to help the economy? keep people's heating bills paid through spring is all that'll do, it won't help purchasing or retail.

No taxes on wages. thats my rallying cry. You trade time for your money and the money is treated as profit, so according to the IRS, your time is worthless.
 
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