Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

Contumacious said:
If I want to fly from point "A" to point "B" I need to prevent you from infecting me . No ifs, but or however.

I have the right to prevent you from firing your weapon towards me or my property.

I don't want to hear any bullshit that I must move to make you happy. Nor will I make you happy by refraining from boarding an airplane.

I have a right to stand my ground and will do so.

There is no individual - or Libertarian - right to harm others.

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In a free market, I imagine the airlines would refuse to fly you if you couldn't prove you'd been vaccinated.
 
I think we covered this with property rights.
You own your body. Nobody is allowed to force you to do things to it.

next red herring, please.
 
Contumacious said:
If I want to fly from point "A" to point "B" I need to prevent you from infecting me . No ifs, but or however.
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That statement right there has got to be the most ludicrous statement I have ever seen from someone who sits in a "Liberty" forum. With freedom their are all kinds of risks. You have no right or authority to prevent anyone from boarding a plane, simply because you're paranoid. :rolleyes:
 
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donnay said:
That statement right there has got to be the most ludicrous statement I have ever seen from someone who sits in a "Liberty" forum. With freedom their are all kinds of risks. You have no right or authority to prevent anyone from boarding a plane, simply because your paranoid. :rolleyes:
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yeah, not even if you own the plane.
 
This has got to be the most unbelievable thread I have ever read on a "liberty" forum.

We have the pro-vaxers saying:

Everyone must be vaccinated because science says that vaxes work. So, in order to be safe, everyone must be vaxed because some people who get vaxed still get sick because the vaxes don't work. But the scientists and the AMA and the pharmaceuticals say they do, so, therefore if they don't work we must have everyone get vaxes or else they will make the vaxers who got vaccinated sick, because the vaxes didn't work. But the anti-vaxers need to be imprisoned or forced to vax because science has proven that vaxes work, so the anti-vaxers cannot be allowed to be a danger to some of the vaxers because their vax didn't work because we all know that it's the anti-vaxers fault because the vaxes didn't work.

Did I miss anything?

Oh, yeah-

And don't talk about any of that stupid stuff like people dying from vaxes or kids getting autism because the same science that tells us that everyone needs to vax because the vaxes don't work, says that hardly anyone gets sick from a vax and don't believe all the BS about separate courts for claims about deaths or serious illness or handicaps because we're the same people that tell you that raw milk is evil and has killed millions, that hemp is a drug and that pluto isn't/is/isn't/is/isn't a planet, so we know what we're talking about. So, if you get a vax and it doesn't work, be sure to sue all those anti-vaxers, 'cause it's their fault if you get sick because the vaxes don't work.

TPTB say so.
 
Contumacious said:
Are you telling me that infections are a fascist myth?

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No, I'm telling you that to hold to the idea that nobody has the right to ever, ever do anything that might negatively affect you in some way, is to say that nobody has any rights, because we all, every day, by virtue of being alive, impact somebody else, and that those impacts could be construed to be negative.
 
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PRB said:
so either you have the right to harm other people, or you have no rights? Sounds good to me!
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So, you believe that people should be shot for sneezing on somebody as well.

SMMFH...and people say the "conspiracy people" make "us" look bad.
 
Ender said:
This has got to be the most unbelievable thread I have ever read on a "liberty" forum.

We have the pro-vaxers saying:

Everyone must be vaccinated because science says that vaxes work. So, in order to be safe, everyone must be vaxed because some people who get vaxed still get sick because the vaxes don't work. But the scientists and the AMA and the pharmaceuticals say they do, so, therefore if they don't work we must have everyone get vaxes or else they will make the vaxers who got vaccinated sick, because the vaxes didn't work. But the anti-vaxers need to be imprisoned or forced to vax because science has proven that vaxes work, so the anti-vaxers cannot be allowed to be a danger to some of the vaxers because their vax didn't work because we all know that it's the anti-vaxers fault because the vaxes didn't work.

Did I miss anything?

Oh, yeah-

And don't talk about any of that stupid stuff like people dying from vaxes or kids getting autism because the same science that tells us that everyone needs to vax because the vaxes don't work, says that hardly anyone gets sick from a vax and don't believe all the BS about separate courts for claims about deaths or serious illness or handicaps because we're the same people that tell you that raw milk is evil and has killed millions, that hemp is a drug and that pluto isn't/is/isn't/is/isn't a planet, so we know what we're talking about. So, if you get a vax and it doesn't work, be sure to sue all those anti-vaxers, 'cause it's their fault if you get sick because the vaxes don't work.

TPTB say so.
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'Bout sums it up nicely...

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I don't know whether to get angry or cry after reading this thread. I hope all the forced vaccination buzz in the press isn't leading up to something.
Those of you who want to force a needle into my arm are the enemy.
 
Ender said:
This has got to be the most unbelievable thread I have ever read on a "liberty" forum.

We have the pro-vaxers saying:

Everyone must be vaccinated because science says that vaxes work. So, in order to be safe, everyone must be vaxed because some people who get vaxed still get sick because the vaxes don't work. But the scientists and the AMA and the pharmaceuticals say they do, so, therefore if they don't work we must have everyone get vaxes or else they will make the vaxers who got vaccinated sick, because the vaxes didn't work. But the anti-vaxers need to be imprisoned or forced to vax because science has proven that vaxes work, so the anti-vaxers cannot be allowed to be a danger to some of the vaxers because their vax didn't work because we all know that it's the anti-vaxers fault because the vaxes didn't work.

Did I miss anything?

Oh, yeah-

And don't talk about any of that stupid stuff like people dying from vaxes or kids getting autism because the same science that tells us that everyone needs to vax because the vaxes don't work, says that hardly anyone gets sick from a vax and don't believe all the BS about separate courts for claims about deaths or serious illness or handicaps because we're the same people that tell you that raw milk is evil and has killed millions, that hemp is a drug and that pluto isn't/is/isn't/is/isn't a planet, so we know what we're talking about. So, if you get a vax and it doesn't work, be sure to sue all those anti-vaxers, 'cause it's their fault if you get sick because the vaxes don't work.

TPTB say so.
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Bullcrap!Most of the "pro-vaxxers" here have explicitly said that you should have the liberty to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children.

I know for a fact that I and Angelatc have stated this EXPLICITLY!Your entire post is a pile of horsecrap lies.

I have smoked cigarettes non-stop for 47+ years and over two packs a day for more than the last 30.
If anybody bothered to ask me my opinion,I would tell them to never smoke cigarettes.

Does this mean that I think smokers should be tortured and thrown in to prison and have their eyes gouged out with rusty spoons?

What the hell do you think!??!!
Sheesh!
 
mad cow said:
Bullcrap!Most of the "pro-vaxxers" here have explicitly said that you should have the liberty to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children.

I know for a fact that I and Angelatc have stated this EXPLICITLY!Your entire post is a pile of horsecrap lies.

I have smoked cigarettes non-stop for 47+ years and over two packs a day for more than the last 30.
If anybody bothered to ask me my opinion,I would tell them to never smoke cigarettes.

Does this mean that I think smokers should be tortured and thrown in to prison and have their eyes gouged out with rusty spoons?

What the hell do you think!??!!
Sheesh!
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Do you think people should be shot for sneezing on you as well?
 
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