reagan - overrated?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Yes. Highly overrated. Not "bad", but the cult of Reagan has done far more harm toward American conservatism than good.

 

[RJ Liberty]

The Reagan administration saw the expansion of the CIA, a focus of the federal government on overseas regime change, the building of a shadow government, and the slow deterioration of a moral America through a "greed is good" mantra espoused by his staffers.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Reagan never should have made Bush VP, after the assassination attempt it was the Bush administration.

 

[TheTexan]

Reagan was pretty good but Trump is still way better

 

[Krugminator2]

The Reagan administration saw the expansion of the CIA, a focus of the federal government on overseas regime change, the building of a shadow government, and the slow deterioration of a moral America through a "greed is good" mantra espoused by his staffers.

You want to know what else he did? He got oil production back on track, beat inflation at a high political cost, cut the top tax rate by 2/3rds, ended the Cold War without firing a shot and started nuclear arms reduction that still exists today. He was a great negotiator. Tough by willing to listen. The Iranians knew their country would leveled if they didn't release the US hostages. They weren't dealing with cuckold Jimmy Carter anymore. When the air traffic controllers broke the law and went on strike, Reagan didn't negotiate. He gave them two days to get back to work then and then fired them permanently. Unions have been losing steam since.

And before President, he put 125 domestic terrorists in the hospital and killed 2. You want to loot and destroy public property? Great. Enjoy your broken spine.



No one in his admin said greed is good. But greed is good. The corporate raiders of the 80s were heroes would made American business great again. They forced bloated businesses to cut costs and and not exist just to line the pockets of management and labor at the expense of long term growth.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Lol 11 year necro bump.

 

[Ender]

Reagan's legacy is NOT what most think- here's just a small truth unveiling that few know:

According to another theory – a quaint little notion that I like to refer to as “verifiable history” – the CIA, operating out of that U.S. embassy in Tehran in 1953, maliciously and illegally overthrew a relatively democratic and liberal parliamentary government, and with it the 1951 Time magazine man of the year Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, because Mossadegh insisted that Iran’s oil wealth enrich Iranians rather than foreign corporations.

The CIA installed a dictatorship run by the Shah of Iran who quickly became a major source of profits for U.S. weapons makers, and his nation a testing ground for surveillance techniques and human rights abuses. The U.S. government encouraged the Shah’s development of a nuclear energy program. But the Shah impoverished and alienated the people of Iran, including hundreds of thousands educated abroad.

A secular pro-democracy revolution nonviolently overthrew the Shah in January 1979, but it was a revolution without a leader or a plan for governing. It was co-opted by rightwing religious forces led by a man who pretended briefly to favor democratic reform. The U.S. government, operating out of the same embassy despised by many in Iran since 1953, explored possible means of keeping the Shah in power, but some in the CIA worked to facilitate what they saw as the second best option: a theocracy that would substitute religious fanaticism and oppression for populist and nationalist demands.

When the U.S. embassy was taken over by an unarmed crowd the next November, immediately following the public announcement of the Shah’s arrival in the United States, and with fears of another U.S.-led coup widespread in Tehran, a sit-in planned for two or three days was co-opted, as the whole revolution had been, by mullahs with connections to the CIA and an extremely anti-democratic agenda.

They later made a deal with U.S. Republicans, as Robert Parry and others have well documented, to keep the hostage crisis going until Carter lost the 1980 presidential election to Ronald Reagan. Reagan’s government secretly renewed weapons sales to the new Iranian dictatorship despite its public anti-American stance and with no more concern for its religious fervor than for that of future al Qaeda leaders who would spend the 1980s fighting the Soviets with U.S. weapons in Afghanistan.

At the same time, the Reagan administration made similarly profitable deals with Saddam Hussein’s government in Iraq, which had launched a war on Iran and continued it with U.S. support through the length of the Reagan presidency. The mad military investment in the United States that took off with Reagan and again with George W. Bush, and which continues to this day, has made the nation of Iran – which asserts its serious independence from U.S. rule – a target of threatened war and actual sanctions and terrorism.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/02/david-swanson/waking-up-to-irans-real-history/

 

[timosman]

Lol 11 year necro bump.

Aratus is a stalker: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?do=process&titleonly=1&query=overrated

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Hard to say who was greater, Reagan or St. McCain?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Reagan never should have made Bush VP, after the assassination attempt it was the Bush administration.

So basically the entire Reagan administration was the Bush administration? Reagan was never president? (the assassination attempt occurred less than three months-69 days- into his eight year presidency). His actions as president were not that different from his actions as the Governor of California.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So basically the entire Reagan administration was the Bush administration? Reagan was never president? (the assassination attempt occurred less than three months-69 days- into his eight year presidency).

His actions as president were not that different from his actions as the Governor of California.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Care to elaborate? He was not involved in international issues nearly as much as Governor but he signed what was at the time the biggest tax cuts in history followed by the biggest tax increases both as governor and as President.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Care to elaborate? He was not involved in international issues nearly as much as Governor but he signed what was at the time the biggest tax cuts in history followed by the biggest tax increases both as governor and as President.

It is complicated and not worth my time since he is dead and you are a troll.

 

[Zippyjuan]

It is complicated and not worth my time since he is dead and you are a troll.

I see. An impressive list of examples. Thank you for sharing.

 

[RJ Liberty]

You want to know what else he did? He got oil production back on track, beat inflation at a high political cost, cut the top tax rate by 2/3rds, ended the Cold War without firing a shot and started nuclear arms reduction that still exists today. He was a great negotiator. Tough by willing to listen. The Iranians knew their country would leveled if they didn't release the US hostages. They weren't dealing with cuckold Jimmy Carter anymore.

Ender's link, on the previous page, explains exactly how Reagan was able to negotiate for the hostages: he prevented Carter from doing so. That's not heroism; that's disgusting.

And before President, he put 125 domestic terrorists in the hospital and killed 2. You want to loot and destroy public property? Great. Enjoy your broken spine.

When you kill a terrorist, you only create two or three or four more: his sons. Have you really learned nothing from the endless "War on Terror"? The wars we began have an entire new generation of terrorists aligned against us.

No one in his admin said greed is good. But greed is good.

*sigh* Yes, greed is great; that's just what we need: more corporate greed, more bankers bilking honest people.

I witnessed the "greed is good" mantra bubbling to the surface in the 1980s, during the Reagan era, and I saw it destroy many good people, and their credit. I also more recently witnessed people like Bernie Madoff, Robert Courtney, and Martin Shkreli bilk millions of people in the name of this philosophy. I've witnessed the erosion of America's ethics because of the "greed is good" fallacy. We knew trickle-down economics was a failure by 1982.

 

[Krugminator2]

When you kill a terrorist, you only create two or three or four more: his sons. Have you really learned nothing from the endless "War on Terror"? The wars we began have an entire new generation of terrorists aligned against us.

I don't think so. I think the hippies got the message. Hippies understand bullets and bayonettes

*sigh* Yes, greed is great; that's just what we need: more corporate greed, more bankers bilking honest people.

I witnessed the "greed is good" mantra bubbling to the surface in the 1980s, during the Reagan era, and I saw it destroy many good people, and their credit. I also more recently witnessed people like Bernie Madoff, Robert Courtney, and Martin Shkreli bilk millions of people in the name of this philosophy. I've witnessed the erosion of America's ethics because of the "greed is good" fallacy. We knew trickle-down economics was a failure by 1982.

I have know idea what that garbled mess is supposed to mean. Corporate greed? What kind of person with liberty in their name talks like that? I have no idea what trickle down economics even is.

Milton Friedman lists Reagan's sticking to principles in 1982 at great political cost when socialists and economic illiterates crowed about how low taxes low inflation and deregulation don't work. Reagan took the political hit to break the back of inflation and that alone makes him a great president.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I have know idea what that garbled mess is supposed to mean.