RE: Ted Cruz...

Brian4Liberty said:
It would be another tragedy if this race turns out like the Pennsylvania Senate race (two acceptable candidates, Marc Scaringi and Sam Rohrer, were both eliminated in favor of a much worse candidate).
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Deja vu, all over again...

Pennsylvania
Primary: Apr 24, 2012

Marc Scaringi (R) - (purity: ★★★★★)
Sam Rohrer (R) - (purity: ★★★★☆)
 
My objective is to make upgrades. Cruz is a definitive upgrade based on what he says. Even if he is lying, there is nothing to lose.

I actually want to get things done, not see how principled I can winnow my vote down to.
 
Jeremy said:
Yeah I guess Ron Paul can't think critically......
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Or some people question rather than follow like drones.

Ron endorsed Lamar Smith, would you consider him a liberty candidate? Should we donate to him?
 
bluesc said:
Or some people question rather than follow like drones.

Ron endorsed Lamar Smith, would you consider him a liberty candidate? Should we donate to him?
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Ya that is not the same in the *least* bit. Ron endorsed all Texan Republican incumbents at one point. He never campaigned for them, that's for sure. He asked his supporters to donate to Cruz. He's also not an incumbent. The difference differences between a party formality and his actual endorsements are obvious. Maybe it's kind of hard to see that from England, though?
 
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Jeremy said:
Ya that is not the same in the *least* bit. Ron endorsed all Texan incumbents at one point. He never campaigned for them, that's for sure. He asked his supporters to donate to Cruz. It's pretty obvious to see the difference between a party formality and an actual endorsement. Maybe it's kind of hard to see that from England?
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You realize that you just vindicated my argument, right?

Btw, using someone's location to try and defeat their argument in the age of the internet is pretty childish. Would I be more knowledgeable if I lived in Alaska?
 
So you think Ron only endorsed Cruz to save face or something? He's raising thousands of dollars for Cruz so people think he's a good Republican? No, the real reason is because Ron isn't going to sit idly by as his party picks someone as bad as Dewhurst over someone as good as Cruz.
 
Jeremy said:
So you think Ron only endorsed Cruz to save face or something? He's raising thousands of dollars for Cruz so people think he's a good Republican? No, the real reason is because Ron isn't going to sit idly by as his party picks someone as bad as Dewhurst over someone as good as Cruz.
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No, I think he endorsed Cruz because Cruz promised to vote yes on some important bills that Rand wants passed, that Ron supports.

My point was that critical thinking skills are required, and that Ron endorsing someone isn't the ultimate barometer of the legitimacy their claim to being a "liberty candidate", as made evident by the Lamar Smith endorsement.

It makes them worth looking into, but then it's down to people to decide whether the candidate deserves their support.
 
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bluesc said:
No, I think he endorsed Cruz because Cruz promised to vote yes on some important bills that Rand wants passed, that Ron supports.

My point was that critical thinking skills are required, and that Ron endorsing someone isn't the ultimate barometer of the legitimacy their claim to being a "liberty candidate", as made evident by the Lamar Smith endorsement.

It makes them worth looking into, but then it's down to people to decide whether the candidate deserves their support.
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I don't see how you still can't tell the difference between when he endorsed all of the Texas Republican incumbents vs. the endorsements he has made for these elections.
 
Jeremy said:
I don't see how you still can't tell the difference between when he endorsed all of the Texas Republican incumbents vs. the endorsements he has made for these elections.
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I can, and that required critical thinking skills. That's the point.

In case you're confused, this was your original comment..

Jeremy said:
It baffles me how some people heren't don't support Cruz. Endorsed by both Pauls and YAL... That tells you a lot.
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And more specifically, this..

Jeremy said:
Yeah I guess Ron Paul can't think critically......
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Yes, he endorsed Cruz. Yes, it was probably to help get a few of Rand's bills passed. Now it's down to peope to decide whether that is a worthy trade-off for someone sitting in a safe senate seat who is accountable to no one that matters to the liberty movement.
 
bluesc said:
I can, and that required critical thinking skills. That's the point.

In case you're confused, this was your original comment..



And more specifically, this..



Yes, he endorsed Cruz. Yes, it was probably to help get a few of Rand's bills passed. Now it's down to peope to decide whether that is a worthy trade-off for someone sitting in a safe senate seat who is accountable to no one that matters to the liberty movement.
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A worthy trade off yet you are still asking people to not support him.
 
Jeremy said:
A worthy trade off yet you are still asking people to not support him.
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... In favor of funding better candidates. Romney has openly supported him. That carries establishment influence. Where has Romney openly supported Massie, Art Robinson or Kurt Bills?

There are higher priorities and you know it.

Btw, "worthy trade-off" is your opinion. Mine is that it isn't. LE is very well educated on politics and has a big voice in this movement, and she decided against him too. Critical thinking.
 
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bluesc said:
... In favor of funding better candidates. Romney has openly supported him. That carries establishment influence. Where has Romney openly supported Massie, Art Robinson or Kurt Bills?

There are higher priorities and you know it.

Btw, "worthy trade-off" is your opinion. Mine is that it isn't. LE is very well educated on politics and has a big voice in this movement, and she decided against him too. Critical thinking.
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I wouldn't personally donate to him before donating to our other candidates. But there are a few people here trying to convince others to not vote for him. I hope you disagree with that. And if I were a Texan I would put signs up, ask my friends and family to vote for him, etc.
 
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Jeremy said:
I wouldn't personally donate to him before donating to our other candidates. But there are a few people here trying to convince others to not vote for him. I hope you disagree with that. And I were a Texan I would put signs up, ask my friends and family to vote for him, etc.
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If it were a more personal issue to me, I would have a pretty big internal battle before making a final decision. I value my vote. But if someone asks for opinions, of course I will share mine. I'd rather see some of the above listed candidates in office rather than Cruz, who we all know doesn't align with us all that much.

This is going to be a good year for liberty, and we have options.
 
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