Rand's view of rights

[ralex]

Ralex, you can flag your OP and request that your thread be moved to general politics. You will get a lot more people agreeing with you there. The people that hang out here have generally decided despite his faults to support Rand.

I'm not looking for a place where people agree with me. I'm looking for a place where people can explain to me what Rand Paul's theory of rights is, and what he thinks about the 9th Amendment. No one seems to know here, so I doubt they'll know in the General forum.

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

I'm not looking for a place where people agree with me. I'm looking for a place where people can explain to me what Rand Paul's theory of rights is, and what he thinks about the 9th Amendment. No one seems to know here, so I doubt they'll know in the General forum.

You might try dailypaul.com. They're a lot more tolerant of Rand critiques - in fact, a number of true believers from there created a refugee thread here a few weeks ago because their unabashed cheerleading was no longer welcome. I have no idea how to navigate that site, though.

 

[klamath]

I'm not looking for a place where people agree with me. I'm looking for a place where people can explain to me what Rand Paul's theory of rights is, and what he thinks about the 9th Amendment. No one seems to know here, so I doubt they'll know in the General forum.

Don't ask other people what Rands theory of rights is. Ask or observe the man himself. You seem to have already made up your mind what it is by the letters you read.

 

[LibertyEagle]

LibertyEagle, I quote below eight excerpts from my posts. If you had read and understood any of them, you wouldn't have asked that question. And if you haven't read and understood anything I've written so far, I have no hope of explaining it to you in yet another post.

- Bob

I read them, Bob, but you keep extrapolating what Rand was discussing with respect to abortion to some wide-ranged opinion. Some have argued that, well, if you believe in privacy, women should be able to kill their unborn children. Privacy has nothing to do with that. You can't remove someone else's liberty under the guise of "privacy". Yet, you seem to have bought the propaganda and keep stating it over and over again. It's kinda weird.

 

[ralex]

I read them, Bob, but you keep extrapolating what Rand was discussing with respect to abortion to some wide-ranged opinion.

Actually, you're extrapolating that Rand's unqualified statement:

When the Supreme Court handed down its now-infamous Roe v. Wade decision, it did so based on a new, previously undefined "right of privacy" which it "discovered" in so-called "emanations" of "penumbrae" of the Constitution.

really only applies to abortions. So if Rand were discussing a right to privacy in the case of, say, NSA spying, you think he wouldn't be bothered by the court "discovering it", in "emanations", or "penumbras"? You'd think he'd say something like "it's great that the court discovered a right to privacy in the emanations and penumbras of the Constitution"?

Sorry, I don't buy it. He would leave out the references to emanations and penumbras, because that's become derogatory. It sounds to me as if he's dissing the right to privacy itself and the process the court used to establish it. If his only problem were the application of privacy to abortion, he would have said something like "The Supreme Court took the right to privacy, which had first been established in Griswold, and misapplied it to abortion."

You can't remove someone else's liberty under the guise of "privacy". Yet, you seem to have bought the propaganda and keep stating it over and over again. It's kinda weird.

Whose propaganda is that? You do realize, I hope, that neither pro-choicers nor Roe v Wade believe they're removing someone else's liberty (or right to life). The only people I know of who think that the right to privacy is superseding the right to life, are the pro-lifers. That's because the pro-choicers don't think the right to life exists yet, while pro-lifers think it does.

And I'm pretty sure I'm haven't "bought" the pro-life propaganda.