Rand to the media: "You want war? We'll give it to you"

[CPUd]

Phone from Home during the debate:

https://randpaul.com/gotv/iowa
https://randpaul.com/volunteer

 

[francisco]

Let's just be ready to support the campaign in any way (that is normal and reasonable) when they make their next move in this regard. Don't fold but ante up like a true Patriot when you're needed most. We need libertarians, ancaps, paleos and every other reasonable person to stand for liberty and what is right.

+1, +rep

Also, I'm gonna donate again, go ahead RNC and Fox, BLACK THIS OUT...

 

[Dianne]

I think we're just at a philosophical impasse... I do not believe an attack on a political figure to be a legitimate crime, and certainly not one that FBN is guilty of (though they are certainly scum). Rand needs to decide what is best for him and what is best for his campaign, but I don't believe he would want to use the Orwellian reach of the law in order to do so. A vitriolic outcry from the grassroots would be much more empowering.

It's not about him, it's about us. Especially those millions who have worked, canvassed, and spent years of time to get his message out. What about all the young people who have been introduced to the political system for the first time, working to spread the message of liberty; only to be disenchanted by the true reality of the lying, manipulative scum of the government owned news media? Rand needs to take it to the man, not appearing to be on his own behalf; but on our behalf.

 

[Rudeman]

Maybe this is when Rand should drop the nuke aka Ron Paul joining him on the campaign trail in a Iowa/NH rally.

 

[Dary]

I think we're just at a philosophical impasse... I do not believe an attack on a political figure to be a legitimate crime, and certainly not one that FBN is guilty of (though they are certainly scum). Rand needs to decide what is best for him and what is best for his campaign, but I don't believe he would want to use the Orwellian reach of the law in order to do so. A vitriolic outcry from the grassroots would be much more empowering.

Actually, I was just making the case that Facebook should take down the Fox Business page cuz they violated the Community Standards.

 

[Jonderdonk]

Actually, I was just making the case that Facebook should take down the Fox Business page cuz they violated the Community Standards.

Oh ok, I understand now... That changes things completely.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

just made a meme on my FB page. go share please.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006112909038

 

[Badger Paul]

Anything to piss on Fox I'm in for.

Here's the thing, the Carson campaign, the one which just lost its entire New Hampshire campaign team to Ted Cruz, somehow is still in this debate while Paul, while not admittedly high in the polls still has a better chance to have a good finish in Iowa compared to messrs. Bush, Kasich and Christie.

Hell, I'd get together with Sanders and have their own debate assuming Sanders forgives Rand about that stupid socialism = murder comment he made.

 

[derek4ever]

Maybe this is when Rand should drop the nuke aka Ron Paul joining him on the campaign trail in a Iowa/NH rally.

BOOOOM!!! I like your thinking!!

 

[wetroof]

Ron Paul does nothing. Of course Father supports Son. it will not change minds. a newspaper or state senator endorsement in Iowa.. does more..

 

[UWDude]

Hey, Chris Christie is still in guys, he is really popular, you know...

 

[puppetmaster]

Hey funny how they add this debate right before Iowa....then make sure he is not in it.....NOTHING happens by accident in politics.

 

[TheNewYorker]

Hey funny how they add this debate right before Iowa....then make sure he is not in it.....NOTHING happens by accident in politics.

To be fair, it's not like they had control of the polls, and we KNEW the criteria for Rand to make it in the debate. While it IS total BS that Rand is not in the debate, it's not like they intentionally did this to only kick Rand out. They would have no way of knowing what the polls were going to do

 

[Jackie Moon]

To be fair, it's not like they had control of the polls, and we KNEW the criteria for Rand to make it in the debate. While it IS total BS that Rand is not in the debate, it's not like they intentionally did this to only kick Rand out. They would have no way of knowing what the polls were going to do

Yeah, I don't know that it was intentional to target Rand... I think they just wanted to limit it overall. But since it wasn't known exactly which polls would count and which wouldn't ahead of time they leave themselves open to looking like they can pick and choose based on results.

Hey funny how they add this debate right before Iowa....then make sure he is not in it.....NOTHING happens by accident in politics.

And there is still one more debate on the 28th in Des Moines - the most important of the campaign - so Rand still has the opportunity to be in that and have an impact just days before the caucus.

 

[TheNewYorker]

Yeah, I don't know that it was intentional to target Rand... I think they just wanted to limit it overall. But since it wasn't known exactly which polls would count and which wouldn't ahead of time they leave themselves open to looking like they can pick and choose based on results.



And there is still one more debate on the 28th in Des Moines - the most important of the campaign - so Rand still has the opportunity to be in that and have an impact just days before the caucus.

Yes.

And they are still assholes. They should have included Rand, because of the margin of error in the polls. Margin of error should have been a factor

 

[The Free Hornet]

Cancel your cable or dish if you have not already. I've been cable/dish free for ... more years than I remember. It's literally the best thing you can do to hurt them. You'll save money and can easily find new media outlets. Or read shit.

Too often the front page here ("Top News") is a freaking billboard for the MSM. It is disgusting. Liberty minded folk should know better.

Stop bankrolling the opposition.

Do not visit their websites. Use adblock if you do (actually, that is good internet security everywhere online - maybe consider Adblock Plus and their 'so-called' acceptable ads if you feel bad about blocking).

 

[puppetmaster]

To be fair, it's not like they had control of the polls, and we KNEW the criteria for Rand to make it in the debate. While it IS total BS that Rand is not in the debate, it's not like they intentionally did this to only kick Rand out. They would have no way of knowing what the polls were going to do

Are you for real.....they COMPLETELY control the polls from start to finish which is why the younger generation is excluded from GOP polls. Look at Bernie...his poll numbers should be similar to Rands just due to the number of individual donors. Maybe not as high as Sanders due to a larger field but manipulating the polls is very very likely and not difficult as there is no real way to verify. Plus GOP polls are often biased in the way they are conducted. It has always been fixed but I hope that more and more people will see though it. Then if they do see through the scam, then we have to worry about who is counting the votes.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Yes.

And they are still assholes. They should have included Rand, because of the margin of error in the polls. Margin of error should have been a factor

Oh yeah, I totally agree.

I was glad to see the post from Rand today include that the pollsters themselves have said not to use their polls to determine debate criteria.

Pollsters: Don't trust us to winnow GOP field

Pollsters surveyed by POLITICO have a unanimous warning for the Republican National Committee and the TV networks who are using public-opinion surveys to exclude presidential candidates from debates: Don’t trust polls to detect often-tiny grades of opinion in a giant field.

Indeed, the unprecedented reliance on polls to winnow the Republican field is coming at a time when many pollsters feel they’re blinder than ever to trends in public thinking — and that using polls to keep out candidates who are otherwise well qualified could seriously alter the race.

I agree with the decision to sit out the debate and go around making his case to the media about how bad the criteria is.

Hopefully the backlash from this - plus the growing momentum that he already had - will lock him in to the debate on the 28th. Obviously would have preferred to be in both, but if we had to choose one or the other the next one is the most important.

 

[CPUd]

 

[Rudeman]

To be fair, it's not like they had control of the polls, and we KNEW the criteria for Rand to make it in the debate. While it IS total BS that Rand is not in the debate, it's not like they intentionally did this to only kick Rand out. They would have no way of knowing what the polls were going to do

Well the criteria wasn't that clear because they didn't indicate which polls they would take into consideration and they can skew the criteria to fit their narrative.

The media has been changing the goal posts as they see fit. First it was top 10/12 (or around that), then it was top 8 and now they've narrowed it to top 6 (I mean with the way the media is talking why not just make it Trump vs Cruz?). I would get narrowing the field after Iowa and NH but no votes have been cast, yet they are arbitrarily shrinking the field and trying to pick winners and losers before the caucuses or primaries have even started. That doesn't sound very fair to me.