Rand Supports Some Foreign Bases, Big Difference from His Dad

[T.hill]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/rand-paul-military-bases_n_2981368.html

 

[Christian Liberty]

Is this actually news? I thought we already knew this.

 

[lib3rtarian]

*Countdown starts till Rand is called a neocon statist*

 

[brandon]

It's pretty clear what he's doing and I'm ok with it.

 

[T.hill]

Does he really 'support' foreign military bases? I thinks that's a little overboard. I'm pretty sure he's just for a slower withdrawal from the world.

 

[Christian Liberty]

*Countdown starts till Rand is called a neocon statist*

There are degrees in between "Perfect" and "Neocon." I think Rand is closer to his dad than he is to neocons but he's still one of those shades in the middle.

 

[abacabb]

I'll take a reduction from 135 to 13.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Did Rand actually give a number here? I agree with you in that I do support Rand, in spite of his being wishy-washy on a few issues, but to assume that its all just a game and that he really agrees with his dad even though he says he doesn't is presumptuous.

 

[talkingpointes]

Who knows what he believes, I don't think he even knows anymore. Who cares -- if you want power - go for Rand, if you want principles go with Amash, or Massie.

 

[V3n]

.choose.your.battles.

 

[talkingpointes]

Did Rand actually give a number here? I agree with you in that I do support Rand, in spite of his being wishy-washy on a few issues, but to assume that its all just a game and that he really agrees with his dad even though he says he doesn't is presumptuous.

The guy is a tool for the RNC, and is wishy-washy on every issue. Remember in order to sieze POWER you must lie, cheat, and steal. Or just pretend to be stealth so you can drag along a bunch of donors so you can screw them over later.

 

[Brett85]

Who knows what he believes, I don't think he even knows anymore. Who cares -- if you want power - go for Rand, if you want principles go with Amash, or Massie.

Is there really that much difference between the three of them?

 

[Slutter McGee]

Who knows what he believes, I don't think he even knows anymore. Who cares -- if you want power - go for Rand, if you want principles go with Amash, or Massie.

Thats a bunch of BS, and you know it. I want both. And Rand has the potential for both more than any other man in the country.

Slutter McGee

 

[talkingpointes]

Is there really that much difference between the three of them?

Yes, one is a liar. The other two aren't and are doing fine. Yes, not being forthcoming and honest is lying. I don't know how some were taught here growing up, but I amazed in hearing all the piousness until Rand enters the temple -- then everyone becomes schemers and party loyalist disseminating group information for voting blocs.

 

[talkingpointes]

For those that are going to split hairs deceiving and misleading is lying. Go ahead and tell yourself that it's for the benefit of us. You sound like the same people you're fighting against -- where all ends make means and their is no overriding principle or goal other then POWER.

 

[T.hill]

Did Rand actually give a number here? I agree with you in that I do support Rand, in spite of his being wishy-washy on a few issues, but to assume that its all just a game and that he really agrees with his dad even though he says he doesn't is presumptuous.

I think it's safe to say that his eventual intentions are consistent with his dad's. A lot of it is just a discrepancy in strategy, it's not deceitful, but he would want people to be more accepting of his ultimate goals.

It's not really presumptuous, because Rand has been explicit with his positions before and a lot of it is very similar to Ron's. His recent public stances, which appear to make him unprincipled is just a differing strategy to get to the same place. His strategy hasn't been inconsistent with his own views, so there's no reason not to believe he still wants to completely get rid of US military presence from around the world.

Say he want's to completely get rid of our military presence around the world, he'd dramatically reduce it where it seem's unnecessary and later get rid of the remaining bases and it doesn't seem as draconian.

 

[Matt Collins]

This is nothing more than people trying to drive a wedge between the liberty movement. Let's not spread this stuff, it's divisive and unproductive.

 

[T.hill]

I think simply explained, the difference between Rand and Ron is almost solely strategical. Rand's strategy is simply more pragmatic.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

For those that are going to split hairs deceiving and misleading is lying. Go ahead and tell yourself that it's for the benefit of us. You sound like the same people you're fighting against -- where all ends make means and their is no overriding principle or goal other then POWER.

Ah I get it, you're an all or nothing type and instead of getting all you'd prefer nothing and rag on anyone trying to improve things. Basically, if you criticize the drug war by mentioning cannabis you're a fraud because you didn't mention crack, meth, heroin and K.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ah I get it, you're an all or nothing type and instead of getting all you'd prefer nothing and rag on anyone trying to improve things. Basically, if you criticize the drug war by mentioning cannabis you're a fraud because you didn't mention crack, meth, heroin and K.

You know I'm hardly anti-Rand but these aren't comparable. It would be more like someone talking about the drug war and saying "Well, pot should be legalized but we can't just legalize all drugs, it depends on the drugs, some drugs need to be controlled." Or something. Just omitting to mention the others would be 100% fine, but that's not what Rand did. Rand specifically said he did not want to pull out of everywhere.

Its possible that he does, but if he does, he's lying. You can't have it both ways though. You can't say he's both completely honest AND has the same views as his dad.