Rand Splits With Rubio, Cruz To Vote For Deficit-Exploding Healthcare Bill

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Can anyone justify Rand's vote for this bill? It seems like this could really hurt Rand's argument that Cruz and Rubio are willing to increase spending but not pay for it with offsetting cuts, as this bill increased spending without offsetting it with cuts elsewhere in the budget. No one is perfect and I fully support Rand, but I can't see why Rand would've voted for this bill. It's just going to give Cruz and Rubio ammunition to use against Rand.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/15/r...o-vote-for-deficit-exploding-healthcare-bill/

Republican Sen. Rand Paul split with senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to vote for a healthcare bill Tuesday night that will add about half a trillion dollars to the national debt over the next several decades.

Paul sided with the overwhelming majority of senators and representatives who voted for the bill, in a decision almost certain to come up in the primary race, where he is currently joined by Cruz and Rubio.

The “doc-fix” bill solves a recurring problem in the way Medicare payments are made to doctors, extends a children’s health insurance program, and requires higher-income seniors to pay higher premiums, and is hailed by supporters as a rare example of meaningful compromise. (RELATED: McConnell’s Priorities: Balance Budget, Then Increase Deficit In Separate Bill)

“Sen. Rand Paul voted to permanently repeal government mandated annual decreases in medical fees,” his spokesperson Jillian Lane told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “These government mandates have been repealed every year for 17 years, indicating that this policy should never have been enacted. Ending this formula ensures that Medicare patients will continue to get quality care.”

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill will add $141 billion to the federal deficits over the next decade, and by 2035 it will add half a trillion dollars to the federal debt, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

President Obama applauded passage of the bill in a statement Tuesday, and said he will be “proud” to sign it into law. (RELATED: Senate Overwhelmingly Approves Medicare ‘Doc-Fix’ Bill)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who is also expected to run in 2016, voted with Paul for the bill.

Cruz and Rubio joined just six other Republican senators in voting against the bill: Mike Lee, Jeff Sessions, Richard Shelby, David Perdue, Ben Sasse and Tim Scott.

“While he’s supportive of parts of the bill, he was very concerned about the substantial unfunded cost and ultimately couldn’t vote for it,” an aide to Rubio told TheDCNF.

The bill explicitly exempts itself from a rule known as PAYGO that requires Congress to “pay” for increased spending by finding cuts somewhere else.

Republican Sen. Mike Lee offered an amendment Tuesday that would strike the PAYGO exemption from the bill. Paul, Graham, Cruz and Rubio all voted for the amendment, but it was rejected.

Cruz released a statement Tuesday explaining his vote. “I cannot support the Boehner-Pelosi bill, which institutionalizes and expands Obamacare policies that harm patients and their doctors while adding roughly half a trillion dollars to our long-term debt within two decades,” he said.

“Any deal should be fully paid for and include significant and structural reforms to Medicare that provide seniors more power and control over their health care,” he added.
 
I didn't mean to post this here. The mods have said that all of the articles about Rand in his sub forum are supposed to be positive. Mods go ahead and move it somewhere else if you want to.
 
This is effed up if the details are accurate.
 
from the liberal huffpo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/doc-fix-bill_n_7036704.html

[h=1]Good Riddance To One Of Congress' Dumbest Rituals: The 'Doc Fix'[/h] Posted: 04/14/2015 9:52 pm EDT Updated: 1 hour ago

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WASHINGTON -- It’s been called “dumb,” “bad policy” and “common-sense-defying." And that’s by the people in charge of it. It’s also called the “doc fix,” and it’s finally letting out its death rattle.
At long last, Congress on Tuesday killed off a policy with no defenders that has served as an excuse for crisis-motivated legislating for years.
Over the past decade and change, the term “doc fix” became shorthand for a nearly annual process by which Congress, facing a big, unintended cut to how much Medicare pays physicians, would scramble to find some way to stop it, as doctors issued loud, mostly empty threats to stop treating Medicare patients. This happened 17 times between 2003 and 2014. Seventeen times.
Rather than actually addressing the policy requiring these cuts and coming up with a new way to pay doctors that actually worked as intended, Congress continually dug itself into a deeper hole, making a permanent doc fix costlier. It’s like putting off repairing that leaky faucet in the bathroom and instead putting a sponge under the drip so they don’t have to hear the splashing sound.
This embarrassing legislative ritual could be seen a precursor to the fiscal brinksmanship and dysfunctional governance that has become more the rule than the exception in Washington. But this year, somehow, Republican and Democratic lawmakers came together, led by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), with the full-throated support of President Barack Obama, to overwhelmingly pass a $141 billion bill that fixes the doc fix, and it's is headed to the White House.
Amazing as it is that Congress passed bipartisan legislation that makes substantive policy in the current political climate, what’s even more amazing is it took a dozen years to get it done, despite virtually universal hatred of the old doctor-payment policy.
During those years, Congress dithered and lobbyists lobbied until these cuts in physicians’ fees were mere days or even hours away -- and in a few cases, actually took effect, at least briefly -- until the emergency scared lawmakers enough to do something. That usually amounted to a pay freeze or a small raise for physicians, along with cuts for other medical providers. The fix would be temporary, guaranteeing that Congress would have to revisit the issue within a few months or maybe a year or two, creating the same spectacle all over again.
“That is a lot of bad policy all around. The fact that there’s not a Medicare freight train every year is probably better for humanity,” said Tom Scully, who was administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in 2002, the first time a doctor pay cut kicked in.
Pretty much the only winners in the doc fix economy were the lobbyists paid to influence it and the health care reporters paid to cover it, two camps that profited from this mess and don’t deserve your sympathy.
Lately, there’s been some strange, advance nostalgia for the doc fix. Defenders say it’s been good for the federal budget because it’s kept physician payments lower than they would’ve been under the system the preceded it, and because Congress usually made other spending reductions to pay for blocking the cuts required by the "sustainable growth rate," or SGR, a complex formula to calculate annual pay adjustments for doctors treating Medicare beneficiaries.
But garbage policy that reduces the budget deficit is still garbage policy. If Congress wanted to reduce the deficit, Congress could have passed deficit-reduction bills.
Chip Kahn, CEO of the Federation of American Hospitals, put it more tactfully. “It’s wrongheaded policy-making. If you’re going to cut people and let it go to deficit reduction, then let’s do that. If you’re going to cut people so that something else doesn’t happen, I can’t believe that’s good policy,” he said.
This year, Boehner and Pelosi decided to rip off the Band-Aid, and the Senate went along with it despite some squawking by deficit scolds. The House leaders pieced together a package that’s not really paid for and adds to the deficit, and told their respective caucuses to take it or leave it. And it worked! Some Senate Democrats complained a bit because they didn’t get to put their fingerprints on it, and some Senate Republicans protested about the legislation's effect on the budget. But once Obama enthusiastically endorsed the Boehner-Pelosi deal, they began to quiet down. The House passed the measure 392-37 last month, and the Senate approved it 92-8 Tuesday evening.
The legislation on its way to Obama's desk would give doctors a small fee increase over the next few years, then link how much they get paid to how well they treat their patients.
All this was necessary because of a policy enacted in 1997 that pretty much everybody knew was bad only a few years in. Back in the ‘90s, Congress wanted to curb rising Medicare spending on physician services, and concocted the "sustainable growth rate" policy. Turns out, only the third word in the name was true.
“The doctor policy here was never intended to reduce doctor payment as much as it did,” said Kahn, who helped create the maligned physician-payment system as a House Republican aide back in the 1990s.
This problem first reared its head in 2002, when the SGR cut Medicare payments to doctors by 4.8 percent. Nobody wanted this, but Congress let it happen anyway. That was the last time they did.
“The docs really got angry,” said Scully, now a health care lobbyist and investor. The docs stayed that way.
Virtually everyone agreed that the SGR policy didn’t work, and had to be replaced with some other method of restraining physician payments. But the usual intra- and inter-party squabbling, a ton of lobbying and a rising price tag made a permanent replacement harder and harder to achieve.
“There’s no fun way around it,” Scully said. “There have been a lot of efforts to try to fix it, but they were always painful.”
During the intervening years, the formula kept calling for lower payments and Congress kept stepping in to stop them, usually by taking money from hospitals and other health care providers to pay for it.
“There was a constant sense of crisis,” Kahn said. “From a provider’s standpoint, it was an annual or semi-annual nightmare because it meant that you were spending all your time not worrying about big-picture policy, but worrying about how your rates might be cut in some way so that Congress could get through the next six months or year,” Kahn said.
To make these interventions seem cheaper, Congress started pretending that one year’s cuts would simply be delayed and added to the next year’s cuts. Then they’d block that one, too, and so on. That’s why the reduction that was slated to take effect this spring was more than 20 percent.
So does the end of the doc fix mean the end of legislative brinksmanship and the beginning of a new era of bipartisan cooperation in which lawmakers will actually manage the federal government like they’re supposed to? Hardly. The same week the House passed the Medicare bill, Republican senators were trying to repeal Obamacare again.
But does doing away with the farcical doc fix process at least mean Congress has solved the problem of how Medicare should pay physicians? Once again, hardly. The “sustainable growth rate” system was considered reform in 1997, and look what happened. Obama hasn’t even signed the new bill and critics are already predicting the new policy will fail based on rosy assumptions about its effectiveness … meaning someday, we may need a doc fix fix fix.
 
It sounds like it wouldn't have been that bad if it had been paid for by offsetting spending cuts. But the fact that it will add to the deficit seems to be the problem.
 
I didn't mean to post this here. The mods have said that all of the articles about Rand in his sub forum are supposed to be positive. Mods go ahead and move it somewhere else if you want to.

Trying to censor topic vibes does not help learning, either to or fro.
 
This is not good. If it increases spending it doesn't make sense. Why would Rand vote for it? I really hope there is something to this that I'm not understanding.
 
The discussion on freerepublic about this:
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Well, Ron Paul was not in favor of cutting Social Security to seniors who could have built up a real retirement if they hadn't been paying such a significant portion of their wages as FICA taxes. And this seems to fall into the same category.

But it would be handy to have an explanation from Rand Paul himself.
 
I dont see Ron Paul voting for a bill like this. Adding half a tril without cuts? PAYGO exempt? Expanding government? WTF? Agreed this needs an explanation, not a spin.
 
I dont see Ron Paul voting for a bill like this. Adding half a tril without cuts? PAYGO exempt? Expanding government? WTF? Agreed this needs an explanation, not a spin.

This is terrible anyway you cut it. Does he really think that the democrat machine is going to take it easy on him just because he votes for something like this? NO. NO. NO. They already have the old clips of Rand calling SS a Ponzi scheme and other similar musings.

 
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Good luck on explaining your way out of this, Rand. You just blew your fiscal record and crossed the line by trying to be too pretty.
 
I dont see Ron Paul voting for a bill like this. Adding half a tril without cuts? PAYGO exempt? Expanding government? WTF? Agreed this needs an explanation, not a spin.

This doesn't add to the debt in reality. That is wrong. It only adds in an accounting sense. For 17 years Congress hasn't let payouts to doctors drop nor should they.

Medicare is socialism. Under a socialist system you get shortages of doctors. Cutting payouts to doctors is the absolute worst way to deal with healthcare costs. That what places like France do and they get doctors going on strike. Rand is a doctor who likely received a significant part of his income from Medicare to do cataract surgeries. He probably understands best that the way to reduce Medicare costs is to reduce benefits to seniors not payouts to doctors.
 
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This is what one of my friends posted on Facebook.

There is a lot of disinformation going around regarding this bill, frankly I was mad at Rand Paul for voting for it this morning, but I have done some research on this and I think we need to clear the air a bit. This is NOT increasing the deficit by $180 billion, those who are saying it does are taking advantage of the fact that the CBO has to go by the SGR, which underfunds it by around that amount every year and essentially forces congress to pass emergency funding for Medicare. This bill doesn't add money to the deficit in real terms because it was money that was appropriated annually to make up the stop gap in the first place. The only reason the CBO scores it as a major increase is because their formula must assume the validity of the SGR, which we know is not a valid formula. Furthermore, Rand voted for every amendment to offset the money spent with cuts in other areas. This is not a perfect bill by any stretch, but does it grow government? No. It arguably makes the allocation process more efficient and easier for the citizen to track.
 
not a fan of the bill, but this looks like making mountains out of molehills. If I had to guess, I'd guess he favored it as an introduction to means testing, which means testing is a cornerstone of his own SS plan iirc.
 
This is what one of my friends posted on Facebook.
Probably but good luck selling that or having the media presenting it that way when Cruz and Rubio voted against a bill put forward by Boehner, Pelosi and the rest of the group that the entire bunch would like to tie Rand in on.
 
lol, it's kinda funny how they can really just do whatever the fuck they want...

The bill explicitly exempts itself from a rule known as PAYGO that requires Congress to “pay” for increased spending by finding cuts somewhere else.
 
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