Rand should quit

[Dianne]

How does him running prevent him from doing his work in the senate?

It seems to me like he's been just as active introducing bills, voting, and speaking since he announced his candidacy.

If anything, the higher profile from running gives him more influence in the senate.

I'm not going to argue about it. Just giving my personal opinion that it was too early for Rand to run; especially with a field of at least 12 potentials when he threw his hat in the ring. There is such an expression called "shopworn", meaning made dirty or imperfect by being displayed or handled in a store too much. Same applies when you find yourself running for President for the second or third time.

This is just my opinion that he shouldn't have run in this large field. I want Rand Paul to be President, but unfortunately there is much strategy that forces it to take place. First, think of all the reasons the media will poo poo him and eliminate each of them.

 

[Occam's Banana]

There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Canadians.

Even the Mexican ones?

 

[Dr.3D]

Even the Mexican ones?

Those Mexican Canadians are the worst.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I think that Rand would've been fine had he not been convinced that he had to come across as sounding so desperate in the debate. Going on the attack is fine, but you can't just get on the debate stage and start yelling. He didn't look Presidential at all, and you have to look Presidential when you run for President. Rand had 6 months to turn things around and didn't need to be so riled up in the debate. Ron came close to winning Iowa just by campaigning heavily there and getting his message out. Rand didn't need to have a huge moment in the debate to have a chance to reignite his campaign. He would've been far better off just being cool and confident in my opinion. Others may disagree, but most of the feedback of Rand's debate performance has been negative. I hope Rand really rethinks this and realizes that he just needs to be himself, and just be cool and confident next time. There's no need to act desperate and throw up a Hail Mary when there's still so much time left until the election. I don't know what's going on with him, but he was so much different in the debate than he was in the 2010 Senate debates against Conway and Grayson. He just dominated those debates and made Conway and Grayson look stupid. That Rand Paul needs to come back.

I take exactly the opposite view of his debate performance, thought it was brilliant.

In any event, you didn't answer my question.

Even is Rand is doing poorly in the campaign (as you seem to think, and I don't), what is the benefit of quitting (or what would have been the benefit of never having run)?

 

[Wilf]

Those Mexican Canadians are the worst.

Lucklt for you their is 96,000 of them in Canada and I am not one of them.

 

[Brett85]

I take exactly the opposite view of his debate performance, thought it was brilliant.

In any event, you didn't answer my question.

Even is Rand is doing poorly in the campaign (as you seem to think, and I don't), what is the benefit of quitting (or what would have been the benefit of never having run)?

I don't think he should quit. I just think he should be much more calm for the next debate on CNN in September.

 

[Dr.3D]

Lucklt for you their is 96,000 of them in Canada and I am not one of them.

If they are in Canada, they must be Canadian.

 

[Wilf]

If they are in Canada, they must be Canadian.

Not if they are in Quebec or Newfoundland.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't think he should quit. I just think he should be much more calm for the next debate on CNN in September.

LOL, my mistake, I confused you with Dianne (she's talking about Rand quitting).

Anyway, while I do think his feistyness was perfect for the last debate, he doesn't need to repeat that every time; shouldn't become "that guy."

 

[Brett85]

LOL, my mistake, I confused you with Dianne (she's talking about Rand quitting).

Anyway, while I do think his feistyness was perfect for the last debate, he doesn't need to repeat that every time; shouldn't become "that guy."

I certainly hope that he doesn't repeat that performance again. It might have helped to excite his base to some extent and perhaps it will help a bit with fundraising, but I don't think it will help his standing in the polls at all, and I think you'll see his favorability ratings go down.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm not going to argue about it. Just giving my personal opinion that it was too early for Rand to run; especially with a field of at least 12 potentials when he threw his hat in the ring. There is such an expression called "shopworn", meaning made dirty or imperfect by being displayed or handled in a store too much. Same applies when you find yourself running for President for the second or third time.

This is just my opinion that he shouldn't have run in this large field. I want Rand Paul to be President, but unfortunately there is much strategy that forces it to take place. First, think of all the reasons the media will poo poo him and eliminate each of them.

Seems to me that having run before is in itself an advantage (name recognition).

Quite a few people in recent decades have won on their 2nd try (Romney e.g.).

Obviously, it's a different matter if you make some epic gaffe in your first run, but so far Rand's done nothing like that, and I've got no expectation that he will.

 

[Wilf]

I certainly hope that he doesn't repeat that performance again. It might have helped to excite his base to some extent and perhaps it will help a bit with fundraising, but I don't think it will help his standing in the polls at all, and I think you'll see his favorability ratings go down.

Well, I hope that he does repeat the same performance (while targeting different candidates) but appears more presidential. I did not think it was that bad but goes against basic American political standards.

 

[Brett85]

Well, I hope that he does repeat the same performance (while targeting different candidates) but appears more presidential. I did not think it was that bad but goes against basic American political standards.

Appearing more Presidential is the key phrase. I don't have a problem with Rand going after other candidates, but he just can't do it in the way that he did it in yesterday's debate.

 

[CPUd]

As he said tonight on The Factor, there are debate strategies for candidates in 7th or 8th place that are different from strategies for frontrunners. He admitted he did that because he believed there was a chance he would otherwise be marginalized.

 

[Bman]

Rand should not quit. If the debate was at all a serious debate and had the outcome that it did I would certainly support the notion but the debate was a joke. No fault of any of the candidates. When Republicans are busy talking about why they want a woman on their knees, whether a raped woman has a right to abort the pregnancy, if God has directly talked to them.... for fuck sake. I take nothing from that debate other then FOX news should not be allowed to hold a debate. The Republicans were wise to not have a debate on MSNBC. They would have been wise to not schedule any with FOX. If this is the narrative and talking points a "Conservative" news station wants to push we should all just push to have the 2016 election cancelled and make Hillary Queen of America...or possible call Bernie Mr. Chairman of the Socialist States of America. Now stand with pride while listening to your new national Anthem.

 

[timosman]

Proper visuals:

 

[cindy25]

If he cares about the movement.. run for senate or governor in 2019. If not, the resign from senate and lose the nomination. What is your opinion.

and who would the Liberty candidate for president be? Amash is too young and unknown. Rand does not have a difficult senate race, as of now, so no need to spend time on that. if he is about to win the nomination, then he should forget the senate and give it to Massie. but that is way way down the road.

 

[Brett85]

As he said tonight on The Factor, there are debate strategies for candidates in 7th or 8th place that are different from strategies for frontrunners. He admitted he did that because he believed there was a chance he would otherwise be marginalized.

The strategy didn't work. Rand is continuing to go down in the polls. It's not necessary to throw a Hail Mary in the first quarter of a football game. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and Rand needs to realize that. Rand's strategy would've been more appropriate if it had been three weeks before the caucus and he was still where he's at now in the polls.

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