Rand Says: Any potential presidential campaign would include Jesse Benton

jjdoyle said:
Sure, the entire thread in which multiple people were banned after Collins reported posts and the moderating team ignored reports on his own posts:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ts-Adam-Kokesh-could-serve-15-years-in-prison
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Yeah, that was a terrible thread. I was banned for six months after my sarcastic post on the first page, which was critical of the story. And I see another moderator disputed the Collins too, fairly early in the thread. Bad moderator, disagreeing with the Collins. No worries, that moderator was sent to re-education camp, and now loves big brother (i.e. the Collinz). Oh, and I see a post was deleted from the thread. It consisted of "F-- Y--". Yep, it's a big cover-up to delete a post like that. The intellectual value that was lost into the memory hole on that post is immeasurable.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Yeah, that was a terrible thread. I was banned for six months after my sarcastic post on the first page, which was critical of the story. And I see another moderator disputed the Collins too, fairly early in the thread. Bad moderator, disagreeing with the Collins. No worries, that moderator was sent to re-education camp, and now loves big brother (i.e. the Collinz). Oh, and I see a post was deleted from the thread. It consisted of "F-- Y--". Yep, it's a big cover-up to delete a post like that. The intellectual value that was lost into the memory hole on that post is immeasurable.
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Actually, you weren't banned and were promoted to moderator shortly after that thread happened. If you weren't aware of why, Bryan was probably hoping you might actually care about the guidelines.

But, as that thread, and some of your own posts since have shown, moderators don't care about the guidelines in respect to all members, just those that aren't Matt Collins and his friends. Which, apparently being a friend of Matt Collins, simply means being a liar.
 
jjdoyle said:
Actually, you weren't banned and were promoted to moderator shortly after that thread happened. If you weren't aware of why, Bryan was probably hoping you might actually care about the guidelines.
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Good question for Bryan. I wasn't aware that post was key to becoming a moderator. Was it all of my posts in defense of Kokesh that helped? But I'm supposed to march to the beat of the Collinz too? The hardest part about being on the moderation team is taking commands from so many competing interests. Protecting Collinz, protecting Kokesh, next thing you know, I'll have to support Zippy.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Good question for Bryan. I wasn't aware that post was key to becoming a moderator. Was it all of my posts in defense of Kokesh that helped? But I'm supposed to march to the beat of the Collinz too? The hardest part about being on the moderation team is taking commands from so many competing interests. Protecting Collinz, protecting Kokesh, next thing you know, I'll have to support Zippy.
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Yeah, check the dates of that post, and the date of you being announced as a moderator.
Thread was locked on June 17th. I had already emailed Bryan about issues in it, and another member has said they had done the same.
You were announced as a new moderator on June 23rd.

But, as you can see in that very thread, I was told by one of your fellow moderators to "flag" Collins' posts. Then you turnaround in another thread, after I actually LISTENED to one of your moderators thinking it might change something and started flagging his posts (and LibertyEagle's), and you said I was a "petty complainer" and I was at the top of your ban list....

I'm just a bit confused, as to why the moderators around here (FOR YEARS) and the administrators (FOR YEARS) have allowed Matt Collins and those like LibertyEagle to get by with far, far, far worse things, than some they have banned others for.

Is it really a bit much to expect honesty from the moderating team? From Bryan? To get actual answers to PMs and/or emails? If so, why does Bryan have the very first guideline as:
1) Operate with ethically sound principles.
• Be honest and truthful.

???
 
LibertyEagle said:
Deb, with all due respect, the grassroots are only helpful to someone's campaign if they work towards the same goals. Back when Goldwater won the Republican nomination, there were tons of grassroots supporters, but they didn't go off and do what the hell they wanted to. They learned the basics of mechanics of what wins elections and lent a hand to to the campaign. They phone-banked WITH the campaign. The campaign's message, not their own. They handed out campaign literature; again, not their own. Helped with canvassing, get out the vote, etc. They damn sure didn't go off on their own thinking they knew better and work AGAINST the campaign, however, well-meant it was.
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Actually some of the most important campaigns for President were won because grassroots and other ignored the official campaign. Sometimes the consultants have the wrong view. Ronald Reagan would not be president except for a few people who ignored the official campaign. Reagan was days, if not hours away from giving up. Here is the rest of the story.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/opinions/display_story.html?id=7548

http://blog.acton.org/archives/2089-the-spirit-of-76-reagan-style.html

http://http://blog.acton.org/archives/2089-the-spirit-of-76-reagan-style.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1390170/posts


Ignoring the Washington, D.C., professionals who wanted to feature Reagan's resume, Helms focused on Reagan's conservative views and the difference those views would make in the way the United States made decisions on national defense, control of the Panama Canal, and relations with the USSR.

Bonus Question: Only two congressmen endorsed Reagan that year? Who are they?
 
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I wonder who or what keeps pushing one of the most divisive wedge issues in the entire liberty movement?
 
phill4paul said:
She keeps yammering on about "the good old days" and how no one that used to be the "movers and shakers" comes around anymore because of all the fringy rabble-rousering types that have taken over the site. Funny, since most of those she bitches and moans about have been here as long as she has. 2008 and 2012 were heady times. Kinda like high school to some. They want to keep reliving it every year at some kinda reunion. She doesn't know how to shift, parry, or move on. All she can do is flail about.
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That's probably what I was asking in an off sort of way. I wasn't here (on the forums) back then so not sure if or how it had changed that was of concern to her that it would specifically be referenced.
 
Primbs said:
Actually some of the most important campaigns for President were won because grassroots and other ignored the official campaign. Sometimes the consultants have the wrong view. Ronald Reagan would not be president except for a few people who ignored the official campaign. Reagan was days, if not hours away from giving up. Here is the rest of the story.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/opinions/display_story.html?id=7548

http://blog.acton.org/archives/2089-the-spirit-of-76-reagan-style.html

http://http://blog.acton.org/archives/2089-the-spirit-of-76-reagan-style.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1390170/posts
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Ok, when someone here becomes elected as a U.S. Senator, then you too may have insight into what the voters in your particular state care the most about.

Between mid-summer 1975 and late summer 1976, Helms pursued every possible vote. In North Carolina, he was at Reagan's side at breakfasts, lunches, dinners, and rallies across the state. He maintained his own barnstorming schedule to speak on Reagan's behalf wherever he was invited. At every stop he took pains to state that his support of Reagan over Ford was about the conservative philosophy of governance that he and Reagan shared.

Ignoring the Washington, D.C., professionals who wanted to feature Reagan's resume, Helms focused on Reagan's conservative views and the difference those views would make in the way the United States made decisions on national defense, control of the Panama Canal, and relations with the USSR.

In North Carolina, with the considerable help of his political ally Tom Ellis, Helms proved that voters cared much more about these issues than the Reagan operatives realized. Following Helms' lead, the Reagan campaign won seven more primaries in May and three in June.
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LibertyEagle said:
Ok, when someone here becomes elected as a U.S. Senator, then you too may have insight into what the voters in your particular state care the most about.
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LibertyEagle said:
Ok, when someone here becomes elected as a U.S. Senator, then you too may have insight into what the voters in your particular state care the most about.
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So I am only allowed to have valid insights when I become an elected US Senator? Guess what many governors and senators and congressmen get elected but have no clue. Many run for president and still have no clue. Ten guys will run for president this time and only one will get the nomination. That means 9 out of ten governors or senators didn't have a clue or insights.

As the Reagan story illustrates, many times those with the best insights don't get elected. Ron Paul endorsed Reagan in 76. And many at the convention realized they made a mistake picking Ford, once they heard Reagan's speech.




[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/4518663/reagans-1976-republican-convention-speech/?#sp=show-clips[/video]

I got some Hayek and Von Mises to go read and some statists to defeat. http://hayekcenter.org/?p=1712
 
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LibertyEagle said:
Ok, when someone here becomes elected as a U.S. Senator, then you too may have insight into what the voters in your particular state care the most about.
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I guess we may as well tell Bryan to shut the site down then. And based on that criteria, you're no more qualified than the next RPF member to spout off.
 
Rand: Jesse Benton to be a part of 2016 campaign

Rand Paul talks 2016 plans, Senate majority, bi-partisanship and marijuana
December 8, 2014 WHAS11.COM

HIGHLAND HEIGHTS, Ky. (WHAS11) -- His decision whether he will enter the 2016 presidential race still months away, U.S. Senator Rand Paul is already navigating presidential waters.

"We are doing things to be prepared if it were to happen," Paul said...
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Benton to be a part of campaign

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Jesse Benton resigned as U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell's (R-Kentucky) campaign manager about two months before the November election, citing the potential to be a distraction to that campaign after a bribery scandal emerged connected to Congressman Ron Paul's presidential campaign in 2012. Benton was Ron Paul's campaign manager in 2008 and 2012.

In that case, a former Iowa state senator, Kent Sorensen, admitted in a plea deal that he concealed payments he received in exchange for defecting from the Michele Bachman presidential campaign to the Ron Paul campaign shortly before Iowa's 2012 caucuses.

Benton has consistently disputed any attempts to tie him to the case, describing politically motivated "inaccurate press accounts and unsubstantiated media rumors."

In the WHAS11 interview, Paul said he does not think Benton "did anything wrong," and questioned whether the federal investigation involving his father's campaign is politically motivated.

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"You know I think one of the considerations when you look at any of this is that we are with an administation where there has been a lot of politically motivated investigations," Paul said, "And I think that has to be one consideration."

"I think the other consideration is that campaign finance laws are very, very complicated," Paul continued. "And you can do something that really I think ought to be like a civil fine for people and people end up not reporting it or reporting it in a way it wasn't supposed to be reported. And frankly it's so complicated if we threaten people with penalties that are above and beyond sort of, 'You need to pay a fine for being late on something,' I think we're going to scare a lot of good people away from helping."

"I think Jesse is honest, he's good at politics and I don't think he's done anything wrong," Paul said.
Paul declined to disclose what role Benton would play in his 2016 campaign.

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"Jesse is married to my niece and was a big help in the Kentucky election here in 2010 and a big help for Sen. McConnell," Paul said. "And, yes he'll help us."...

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Full article: http://www.whas11.com/story/news/po...ority-bi-partisanship-and-marijuana/20003981/
 
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