Rand Paul Won’t Comment on Father’s Past Comparison of Gaza to “Concentration Camp”

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Rand Paul Won’t Comment on Father’s Past Comparison of Gaza to “Concentration Camp”

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World Ron Paul’s Son Sen. Rand Paul Won’t Comment on Father’s Past Comparison of Gaza to “Concentration Camp”; Israelis Suprised Congressman Made Analogy

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Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:03am by Sharona Schwartz

Ron Paul’s Son Sen. Rand Paul Won’t Comment on Father’s Past Comparison of Gaza to “Concentration Camp”; Israelis Surprised Congressman Made AnalogySupporters of Ron Paul have been trying to make the case their candidate is pro-Israel despite his past statements and opposition to foreign aid to the Jewish state. Their job got a little harder after a two-year-old interview Rep. Paul gave to Iran’s Press TV was recently posted on YouTube in which he compared Israel’s treatment of Gaza to that of a Nazi concentration camp.

In the 2009 interview, Paul talks about the “tragedy of Gaza,” comparing it to a concentration camp, and appears to mock those who say Hamas is the aggressor. He said, “To me I look at it like it’s a concentration camp, and people are making bombs, like, they’re the aggressors?”

In New Hampshire this weekend, the Daily Caller asked Paul’s son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, about the video clip:

Asked by TheDC in the spin room after the ABC News–Yahoo! News Republican primary debate whether his father still stood by that assessment of Gaza as a concentration camp, the younger Paul wouldn’t say.

“I don’t know about that comment,” Rand Paul said before pivoting to say that his “father doesn’t want [Iran] to have nuclear weapons, he thinks it would be destabilizing for them to have them, but he thinks there needs to be a healthy debate in Congress about what our response should be.”

Pressed again on whether his father still thinks Gaza is like a concentration camp, Paul mumbled “I don’t know that” before turning away from TheDC to answer other questions.

Though the comparison has been made by some pro-Palestinian activists, Israelis were surprised a presidential candidate would make it. It was the lead story on Israel’s Ynet News website Monday morning. Itamar Marcus, who heads the Israeli research group Palestinian Media Watch which follows Palestinian media reports from Gaza and the West Bank tells The Blaze:

“Comparing the Gaza Strip to a concentration camp is disgusting and shows complete ignorance. Disgusting – because it trivializes and insults the memory of the millions of victims who were killed in the Nazi concentration camps and death camps. It shows complete ignorance because there is no resemblance between civilians who were murdered and starved to death in concentration camps, and the military blockade of the Gaza Strip to keep weapons out of the hands of genocidal preaching Hamas. If there is suffering in the Gaza Strip – and there may be – it is totally the blame of the Palestinian leadership there.”

The Blaze reached out to Israeli legislators across the political spectrum for reaction, but representatives of Likud, Kadima, Independence and Labor said they didn’t want to comment publicly on the American election campaign.

Paul’s position on Israel got attention last month after former aid Eric Dondero wrote that the presidential candidate wishes Israel did not exist.

In response to that, Ron Paul’s campaign spokesman Gary Howard emailed the media a statement saying, “”Dr. Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate in this race.”

“He is the only leader who will stop sending tens of billions of dollars in aid and arms to her Arab enemies, cut off subsidies to companies who do business with Iran, and allow Israel to defend herself as she sees fit, without the permission and interference of the US or the United Nations.”

By contrast, Dondero, who previously worked for Ron Paul for 12 years wrote that though he does not believe Paul is anti-Semitic, he is “most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general:”

“He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.”

The Republican Jewish Coalition last month did not invite Paul to its candidates’ forum because of what it called his “extreme views” after a November Republican debate where he said Washington should be less involved in Israeli affairs. Reuters reported:

“They can take care of themselves,” Paul, who has called for reduced U.S. foreign aid generally, said at the time. “Why do we have this automatic commitment that we’re going to send our kids and send our money endlessly to Israel?”

In an interview to the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz last month, Paul said he’s “the one candidate who would respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate to her about how she should deal with her neighbors.” He reminded readers he supported Israel‘s 1981 strike on Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor. He added:

I believe that Israel is one of our most important friends in the world. And the views that I hold have many adherents in Israel today. Two of the tenets of a true Zionist are “self-determination” and “self-reliance.” I do not believe we should be Israel’s master but, rather, her friend. We should not be dictating her policies and announcing her negotiating positions before talks with her neighbors have even begun.

Ron Paul’s interview to Press TV was not the last time the presidential candidate invoked the World War II comparison. In 2010, he told Don Imus the situation in Gaza is “almost like in concentration camps,” a comparison that makes claims Ron Paul is pro-Israel more difficult to believe.

Here is that clip:

 
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Go figure they dredge this up instead of mentioning his endorsement. That site pretty much sucks.
 
Go figure they dredge this up instead of mentioning his endorsement. That site pretty much sucks.

Yes, it does. I committed myself there about 6 months ago as a representative of Ron Paul.
I'm having a hard time defending this because I simply DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SITUATION!
 
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Yes, it does. I committed myself there about 6 months ago as a representative of Ron Paul.
I'm having a hard time defending this because I simply DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SITUATION!

You mean you are having a hard time defending it with mainstream Republicans who are too pro-Israel. Nothing Paul said was wrong, it is only wrong to the Israel Firster crowd.
 
Dr. Paul is right. Rand Paul's refusal to comment on this is why he both has a much better chance at becoming president than his dad and is less likely to get people as excited as his dad.
 
Having seen the pictures from Gaza, how is Dr. Paul wrong on this?

Yeah, I told them to You Tube "jews throwing stones" and see how those people live, otherwise, guess I'll stay out of it.

Not many comments there anyway. Think the "dumb" ones are avoiding the subject (as I am) LOL
 
“To me I look at it like it’s a concentration camp, and people are making bombs, like, they’re the aggressors?”

If that's the quote this has no weight to it!

He's using it as a metaphor to describe insurgency as distinct from instigation. Not saying that the conditions are like the Holocaust or comparing the evil of Israeli governments to the nazi government simply describing blowback, like always. The media is omitting that part of the story as always and resorting to desperate hacks like Donedero.

We cannot be on the defensive, press on! Break the link.
 
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If that's the quote this has no weight to it!

He's using it as a metaphor to describe insurgency as distinct from instigation. Not saying that the conditions are like the Holocaust or comparing the evil of Israeli governments to the nazi government simply describing blowback, like always. The media is omitting that part of the story as always and resorting to desperate hacks like Donedero.

We cannot be on the defensive, press on! Break the link.

The British invented concentration camps during the Boer War. Concentration camps were not invented by Nazi Germany. How is Paul wrong that Gaza is a concentration camp?
 
Around people who do not have knee jerk reactions I can broach the subject of the Palestinians treatment by the Israeli government and certain hardcore civilian factions. Doctor Paul's characterisation is correct in the terminology as this is a place where people are forced into a concentration and walled off, supplies to maintain a good standard of life and proper nutrition restricted and oftimes subjected to unneeded violence. However, in an attempt to undo decades of inculcation one needs to step carefully and provide the immunization of the truth of the golden rule in measured doses depending on the audience. In this regards when Ron spoke to such he already new his audience was ready to receive truths. In the case of Rand, his audience in new, there are elements he has to step slowly with to ensure the rejection of the truth does not occur pre-emptively. It may do him well to just not get involved in the issue and let us as the American people handle it. There are definite and deliberate scenarios within the narrative that can be quite virulent in rejection or acceptance of the proposed paradigm of apartheid driven concentration camps versus a violent population that needs walling off from the Israeli's.

The bottom line is if one applies the golden rule as per Christ's teaching and factual reality then it is obvious that there is a severe defecit and discrepancy in the way the Israeli's treat the massively outgunned Palestinians.

Don't know if this helps because as I stated in my first sentence, this is a bunch of knee jerkers or our people trying to change hearts and minds. Remind them of the golden rule and articulate what you see.

HTH
Rev9
 
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It comes from an equivocation between the standard meaning of concentration camp and the somewhat euphemistic sense in which it was used by the Nazis (technically places like Auschwitz were primarily extermination camps, not concentration camps). It might seem a pedantic difference, but it's actually quite important here. Dr Paul is probably quite correct that Gaza is like a concentration camp, but people hear that phrase and assume that what's meant is "concentration camp" as a euphemism for extermination camp.
 
I would urge you guys to do more research about the situation before coming to your conclusions. I have yet to make up my opinion of this situation.

However, I was born in Israel and have lived there recently. I know people in the IDF, I watched Israeli news, etc. I have a feeling for what their side of the story is.

The gaza strip is their (Palestinian's) land according to the British grant, right? The problem with that is, that they don't accept that. They want Israel. Obviously Israelis won't have that... Additionally, there is perpetual violence coming from Gaza such as hundreds of missiles being fired -- in the past they would also blow up buses and other civilian areas. As far as what I was aware of, Israelis go out of their way to minimize casualties on both sides... They don't attack the Palestinians unless provoked. They also provide them with food and water...

Its a much more complicated situation then people make it out to be. I would just urge Paul supporters to do more research about the situation and present the facts -- often times, some supporters alienate others (such as myself) by making hateful or otherwise negative comments about Israel. Obviously I don't take issue with your opinions on the matter, I just think that we should focus on America's big issues (economy, civil liberties...) and not try to make peace in the middle east right now.
 
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I would urge you guys to do more research about the situation before coming to your conclusions. I have yet to make up my opinion of this situation.

My opinion is that they should stop taking our money and buying our politicians with it. After they stop stealing from me they can do whatever they want; I don't care either way.

There is absolutely nothing you can say or anything possible going on over there that can convince me that they have a right to my tax dollars.
 
doronster: Personally I'm ambivalent about the Israel/Palestine issue, since I don't think there is any possible solution for now, nor would any alternate historical solution have provided long-term stability there either. There are some similarities between Gaza and a concentration camp. Similarly there are some similarities between Israel and an over-sized Jewish ghetto. Like specsaregood points out, though, the key issue is that we -- as a Brit, I mean the West in general here -- shouldn't be intervening.
 
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