Rand Paul ≠ Ron Paul. Is that good thing or a bad thing?

In fairness to Johnson, its really hard to be better than Ron Paul. That said, it wouldn't have been all that hard for Gary Johnson to be better than he was.

But, I'm not really sure how to be better than Ron on actual positions unless you want to openly start talking about anarcho-capitalism in a political campaign. Which would probably turn out awful, because it would be turned into a soundbyte, and ancap sounds awful in soundbites.

There are people like Lt. Col. Karen Kwiaktowski who would be almost as good a candidate as Ron and former Congressman David Stockman who would be pretty good or to a lesser extent even Judge Nap. All are Rothbardian rather than Friedmanian which always translates into being real good on everything especially foreign policy. So they could be as honest and consistent as Ron.

I think you're right when it comes to knowing details about U.S. intervention all over the globe and the whos, whats, whys, and real history behind everything, we may never find another libertarian to run for the republican nomination with government "made man" credentials like Ron Paul. But we can at least revive and even accelerate the momentum of Ron's honesty and principles by running one good candidate rather than none.
 
The question is "Rand Paul ≠ Ron Paul. Is that good thing or a bad thing?".
I have great respect for Ron due to his straight talk and no compromise approach to the issues.
Rand is more of a politician and tempers his statements. This may increase Rand's chances to be elected but blunts the effect he will have on the direction of the country. Obama is a "no compromise" liberal and has moved this country far to the left. We need a strong "no compromise" leader to make a similar shift to the right. Is Rand being elected enough? Will he have a strong impact on the direction this country? I'm not sure and still evaluating the son for more of the good stuff his father has. I have not as yet found a stronger "no compromise" candidate running this coming election but I'm still watching for one.
 
I have not as yet found a stronger "no compromise" candidate running this coming election but I'm still watching for one.

Wow you scoured the depths of the internet and found this dungeon where we secretly whisper and watch for a candidate. Don't tell me how you found us, I don't want to know and can only imagine--but welcome nonetheless.
 
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There are people like Lt. Col. Karen Kwiaktowski who would be almost as good a candidate as Ron and former Congressman David Stockman who would be pretty good or to a lesser extent even Judge Nap. All are Rothbardian rather than Friedmanian which always translates into being real good on everything especially foreign policy. So they could be as honest and consistent as Ron.

I think you're right when it comes to knowing details about U.S. intervention all over the globe and the whos, whats, whys, and real history behind everything, we may never find another libertarian to run for the republican nomination with government "made man" credentials like Ron Paul. But we can at least revive and even accelerate the momentum of Ron's honesty and principles by running one good candidate rather than none.

I don't actually know anything about Kwiaktowski or Stockman, I'll try to look them up later today. I am aware of Judge Nap and he's awesome. He'd almost certainly be on par with Ron as a candidate if he were to run. I'd love to see him run.
 
I don't actually know anything about Kwiaktowski or Stockman, I'll try to look them up later today. I am aware of Judge Nap and he's awesome. He'd almost certainly be on par with Ron as a candidate if he were to run. I'd love to see him run.


I think you'll have better luck looking up Congressman STEVE Stockman. David Stockman was Reagan's budget director, his term in Congress was in the '70s and he's no libertarian by any stretch.
 
I don't actually know anything about Kwiaktowski or Stockman, I'll try to look them up later today. I am aware of Judge Nap and he's awesome. He'd almost certainly be on par with Ron as a candidate if he were to run. I'd love to see him run.

I don't know if Karen Kwiatkowski would ever run for President, but watch this 2006 CSPAN interview

http://www.c-span.org/video/?191631-1/qa-karen-kwiatkowski

and read the stuff she writes on lewrockwell.com and tell me she wouldn't be almost as good as Ron at inspiring the Love-o-lution. She ran and lost against the incumbent republican in the 2012 primary for Congress.

She has another claim to fame: Jesse Benton and the gang black listed her from speaking at Ron Paul events, so she if she runs for President, then her forum here at rpf might be restricted to members only.

I recall when Stockman was famous in the early 1980s from his being Ronald Reagan's budget cutting guru. He quit out of disgust when it became apparent that Reagan and his gang were not going to cut anything significant from the budget. I lost track of him after that, but he has emerged in the past decade writing lots of hard core Ron Paulian caliber stuff about foreign, monetary, and spending policy. He may not be a pure libertarian as the poster above says, but I think the generals would be much more scared of him shutting off the spigot than Rand.

I mention these two and Judge Nap because they've held positions in the government and have the "made mafia men" credentials that seem to be necessary for getting a chance at a spot at the end of the stage and 89 seconds per national TV debate hour that Ron was able to make so much hay with.

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I'm not really sure how to be better than Ron on actual positions unless you want to openly start talking about anarcho-capitalism in a political campaign

As Rothbard said in his vital article "Do You Hate the State", the key question isn't how pure of a theoretical anarchist you are, its how much you hate the state that matters regardless of your philosophical underpinnings.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard75.html


I have been ruminating recently on what are the crucial questions that divide libertarians. Some that have received a lot of attention in the last few years are: anarcho-capitalism vs. limited government, abolitionism vs. gradualism, natural rights vs. utilitarianism, and war vs. peace. But I have concluded that as important as these questions are, they don’t really cut to the nub of the issue, of the crucial dividing line between us.

Let us take, for example, two of the leading anarcho-capitalist works of the last few years: my own For a New Liberty and David Friedman’s Machinery of Freedom. Superficially, the major differences between them are my own stand for natural rights and for a rational libertarian law code, in contrast to Friedman’s amoralist utilitarianism and call for logrolling and trade-offs between non-libertarian private police agencies. But the difference really cuts far deeper. There runs through For a New Liberty (and most of the rest of my work as well) a deep and pervasive hatred of the State and all of its works, based on the conviction that the State is the enemy of mankind. In contrast, it is evident that David does not hate the State at all; that he has merely arrived at the conviction that anarchism and competing private police forces are a better social and economic system than any other alternative. Or, more fully, that anarchism would be better than laissez-faire which in turn is better than the current system. Amidst the entire spectrum of political alternatives, David Friedman has decided that anarcho-capitalism is superior. But superior to an existing political structure which is pretty good too. In short, there is no sign that David Friedman in any sense hates the existing American State or the State per se, hates it deep in his belly as a predatory gang of robbers, enslavers, and murderers. No, there is simply the cool conviction that anarchism would be the best of all possible worlds, but that our current set-up is pretty far up with it in desirability. For there is no sense in Friedman that the State – any State – is a predatory gang of criminals.


The same impression shines through the writing, say, of political philosopher Eric Mack. Mack is an anarcho-capitalist who believes in individual rights; but there is no sense in his writings of any passionate hatred of the State, or, a fortiori, of any sense that the State is a plundering and bestial enemy.

Perhaps the word that best defines our distinction is "radical." Radical in the sense of being in total, root-and-branch opposition to the existing political system and to the State itself. Radical in the sense of having integrated intellectual opposition to the State with a gut hatred of its pervasive and organized system of crime and injustice. Radical in the sense of a deep commitment to the spirit of liberty and anti-statism that integrates reason and emotion, heart and soul.

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I don't know if Karen Kwiatkowski would ever run for President, but watch this 2006 CSPAN interview

http://www.c-span.org/video/?191631-1/qa-karen-kwiatkowski

and read the stuff she writes on lewrockwell.com and tell me she wouldn't be almost as good as Ron at inspiring the Love-o-lution. She ran and lost against the incumbent republican in the 2012 primary for Congress.

Will take a look, thanks.

She has another claim to fame: Jesse Benton and the gang black listed her from speaking at Ron Paul events, so she if she runs for President, then her forum here at rpf might be restricted to members only.

Why would her forum be restricted? What does the scumbag Benton have to do with anything? Do the admins not realize that Benton is a scumbag?
I recall when Stockman was famous in the early 1980s from his being Ronald Reagan's budget cutting guru. He quit out of disgust when it became apparent that Reagan and his gang were not going to cut anything significant from the budget. I lost track of him after that, but he has emerged in the past decade writing lots of hard core Ron Paulian caliber stuff about foreign, monetary, and spending policy. He may not be a pure libertarian as the poster above says, but I think the generals would be much more scared of him shutting off the spigot than Rand.

Cool. Sounds like a good guy.


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As Rothbard said in his vital article "Do You Hate the State", the key question isn't how pure of a theoretical anarchist you are, its how much you hate the state that matters regardless of your philosophical underpinnings.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard75.html

So true. Admittedly, if Ancap were instituted right now I'm not sure people would do anything but immediately start a new state. So, minarchism might be a necessary incremental step whether we like it or not. But I'm definitely all for cutting government programs wherever and however we can. I've been condemned for the fact that I've said I'd immediately end SS if I could, because yes, the principle of not stealing is even more important to me than the pragmatic effects of cutting down the spigot.
 
We don't need an anarchist. More from Rothbard:

Furthermore, in contrast to what seems to be true nowadays, you don’t have to be an anarchist to be radical in our sense, just as you can be an anarchist while missing the radical spark. I can think of hardly a single limited governmentalist of the present day who is radical – a truly amazing phenomenon, when we think of our classical liberal forbears who were genuinely radical, who hated statism and the States of their day with a beautifully integrated passion: the Levellers, Patrick Henry, Tom Paine, Joseph Priestley, the Jacksonians, Richard Cobden, and on and on, a veritable roll call of the greats of the past. Tom Paine’s radical hatred of the State and statism was and is far more important to the cause of liberty than the fact that he never crossed the divide between laissez-faire and anarchism.


And closer to our own day, such early influences on me as Albert Jay Nock, H. L. Mencken, and Frank Chodorov were magnificently and superbly radical. Hatred of "Our Enemy, the State" (Nock’s title) and all of its works shone through all of their writings like a beacon star. So what if they never quite made it all the way to explicit anarchism? Far better one Albert Nock than a hundred anarcho-capitalists who are all too comfortable with the existing status quo.
 
Why would her forum be restricted? What does the scumbag Benton have to do with anything? Do the admins not realize that Benton is a scumbag?

I'm just making snide complaints about the fact that we can't talk about alternative candidates for president here without it being bounced into a dungeon forum exactly like we couldn't make complaints about Benton and that whole outfit in 2012 without bouncing whole threads into that other forum...what was it...oh yeah Hot Topics?
 
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