Rand Paul Releases Memo Explaining why he won't drop out - 10/15

It's kind of silly he even had to write this. I cannot think of a single reason he'd drop out now. Came this far, might as well stick it out until the first round of the primaries. Even if his chances of winning are slim he's still getting his name out there, raising money, and networking.... all good things for future endeavours. And maybe his polls will turn around at some point... it usually happens to a couple candidates every cycle.
 
CNN's prediction market game has "Rand Paul to end/suspend his campaign by 11/1/15" at 70%. :rolleyes:

Trying to find somewhere to make that bet with real money...

Take that money you planned to bet and won't be able to and donate it to the campaign. The biggest reason that people are talking about him dropping out is because his shitty supporters (that's us) haven't given him anywhere close to enough money. If I have to read "anemic fundraising" one more time, I might snap.
 
Poll at the bottom:

Should Rand Paul Consider Dropping Out?
Yes 8%
No 92%

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/15/r...g-why-he-wont-drop-out-of-race/#ixzz3ofidxuZU

Screw the system. Screw the establishment. Screw the government controlled media.

Rand should just say fuck it and run Indy. How do you like them apples now? Bernie is NOT going to be the Dem nominee and Rand would definitely as an Indy get many of his supporters. Of course it won't happen because it's bucking the system. Got to stay within the lines for the good of the status quo.
 
Take that money you planned to bet and won't be able to and donate it to the campaign. The biggest reason that people are talking about him dropping out is because his shitty supporters (that's us) haven't given him anywhere close to enough money. If I have to read "anemic fundraising" one more time, I might snap.

I agree.

In case anyone missed the thread, there is a money bomb on November 5th. More people promoting = More money raised

Rand Paul November 5th Money Bomb Thread







 
It's not encouraging to be bragging about two million on hand.

Honestly, that's really shitty.

Bernie probably has at least $20 million, considering he raised like $24 million the last quarter alone.

We ain't getting dat Koch money or dat establishment money, and the grassroots just isn't funding Rand like the did Ron (and to be honest, even Bernie's funding will still be pitiful compared to Hillary thanks to SuperPACs).

I'm in it for the long haul but it sounds like the campaign is cash starved if they need to run a 'lean' operation.
 
It's not encouraging to be bragging about two million on hand.

Honestly, that's really shitty.

Bernie probably has at least $20 million, considering he raised like $24 million the last quarter alone.

We ain't getting dat Koch money or dat establishment money, and the grassroots just isn't funding Rand like the did Ron (and to be honest, even Bernie's funding will still be pitiful compared to Hillary thanks to SuperPACs).

I'm in it for the long haul but it sounds like the campaign is cash starved if they need to run a 'lean' operation.

The other candidates are wasting the hell out of money and probably going into debt by now, go look at the FEC reports.
 
isn't it strange no one asks when Patacki, kasich, Christie, Jeb, Graham will pull out. TPTB really want rand out, can't just be the KY senate seat
 
I do not understand why they are acting surprised as if this is unexpected ? Did Rand had some some contract and reneged on it ?
 
It's not encouraging to be bragging about two million on hand.

Honestly, that's really shitty.

Bernie probably has at least $20 million, considering he raised like $24 million the last quarter alone.

Bernie is going to split that up and divide it evenly amongst all the other candidates, isn't he?
 
The other candidates are wasting the hell out of money and probably going into debt by now, go look at the FEC reports.

Well the interesting thing is.........

In Q2 Rand spent $2M while Cruz spent nearly $6M. Most of the money raised in these presidential campaigns usually goes to consultants. For instance, Ben Carson's probably getting taken on a dirty ride despite raising a ton of money in Q3. The good thing about the liberty movement is that we've been building our own fundraising apparatus so maybe that is a good place where Rand is saving money over others.

It is great to have money but if you don't have that much money it is even better to have the cost saving measures already in place.

Rand said his fundraising really picked up after the last debate so let's just see what happens after the next debate. The live stream generated the most hits to his website since the first debate.
 
I think everyone is missing the point of criticism, even the critics.

It's not a question of organization or even money for that matter (for crying out loud Jindal is down to his last half-mil according to reports and there's no deathwatch over him). It's that people expected more. This is not like eight years ago when we were starting from point zero and nobody but ourselves took us seriously. The press was ready to take Rand 2016 seriously (Time magazine for example) and expected Rand to be a major player in the field.

Instead voters have been interested in other candidates (someone of whom have never even run for dogcatcher) and Rand, after starting well in the polls, has fallen and hasn't bounced back. Even after a good debate performance where he just let go, we're still mired in single digits and fundraising is nowhere close to what it was in '12 or even '08. There's no energy or buzz about Rand in comparison to Ron, no real theme to the campaign, or representation of it towards an idea or cause or larger movement.

And that's largely due to the candidate himself!
What reporters in the field covering Rand are picking up from watching him interact with voters or after he gives his stump speech is someone who just doesn't care, someone going through the motions or doing what his staff thinks is a good idea and selling it so poorly (like yesterday's livestream) that it comes across as him looking bored or going through the motions (Look at the way he was dressed yesterday. Would he have looked like a future President to someone who wasn't a hardcore supporter? No, he looked like the owner of a Colorado bar.) Thus, the popular narrative of him dropping out eventually and the fact he has Senate campaign as well doesn't help him because it feeds the narrative that Paul can't quite make ups his mind whether he should run for the White House or for re-election. And yes, his opponents are promoting the idea of him dropping out because, well, they're his opponents! Of course they're going to try and trip him up, fair or unfair.

The only way to change this for Rand to start acting like he really wants to be President. When he does, everything else will flow from it and the campaign will improve accordingly. Until then, get used to the drop out question Rand because it's the only one reporters feel worth asking. It certainly won't be about your tax plans, not at four percent in the polls.

Bottom line is this: Rand, do you really want to be the Eugene McCarthy of the Republican Party, a man who started something but was so lazy and diffident he couldn't finish it? Because that's where you're heading. It's up to you but I wish you'd make up your mind so that the people who are doing everything they can to help you quit wasting their time when the candidate they work for won't help them.
 
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I think everyone is missing the point of criticism, even the critics.

It's not a question of organization or even money for that matter (for crying out loud Jindal is down to his last half-mil according to reports and there's no deathwatch over him). It's that people expected more. This is not like eight years ago when we were starting from point zero and nobody but ourselves took us seriously. The press was ready to take Rand 2016 seriously (Time magazine for example) and expected Rand to be a major player in the field.

Instead voters have been interested in other candidates (someone of whom have never even run for dogcatcher) and Rand, after starting well in the polls, has fallen and hasn't bounced back. Even after a good debate performance where he just let go, we're still mired in single digits and fundraising is nowhere close to what it was in '12 or even '08. There's no energy or buzz about Rand in comparison to Ron, no real theme to the campaign, or representation of it towards an idea or cause or larger movement.

And that's largely due to the candidate himself
. What reporters in the field covering Rand are picking up from watching him interact with voters or after he gives his stump speech is someone who just doesn't care, someone going through the motions or doing what his staff thinks is a good idea and selling it so poorly (like yesterday's livestream) that it comes across as him looking bored or going through the motions. Thus, the popular narrative of him dropping out eventually and the fact he has Senate campaign as well doesn't help him because it feeds the narrative that Paul can't quite make ups his mind whether he should run for the White House or re-election. And yes, his opponents are promoting the idea of him dropping out because, well, they're his opponents! Of course they're going to try and trip him up, fair or unfair.

The only way to change this for Rand to start acting like he really wants to be President. When he does, everything else will flow from it and the campaign will improve accordingly. Until then, get used to the drop out question Rand because it's the only one reporters feel worth asking. It certainly won't be about your tax plans, not at four percent in the polls.

Bottom line is this: Rand, do you really want to be the Eugene McCarthy of the Republican Party, a man who started something but was so lazy and diffident he couldn't finish it? Because that's where you're heading. It's up to you but I wish you'd make up your mind so that the people who are doing everything the can to help you quit wasting their time when the candidate they work for won't help them.

He does that and you or someone else will be on here saying Rand is a tryhard.
 
Rand just needs to handle the media when asked this like maybe Trump has with bonehead media badgering -
or like a President's Press Secretary has to do regularly in every administration.
. . . there are too many issues to really discuss with now Obama going to hand off a war presence in Afghanistan as well as Syria being on "boil"

A simple shrugging it off with a "Next Question" is a good enough response from here on out imo
 
I think everyone is missing the point of criticism, even the critics.

It's not a question of organization or even money for that matter (for crying out loud Jindal is down to his last half-mil according to reports and there's no deathwatch over him). It's that people expected more. This is not like eight years ago when we were starting from point zero and nobody but ourselves took us seriously. The press was ready to take Rand 2016 seriously (Time magazine for example) and expected Rand to be a major player in the field.

Instead voters have been interested in other candidates (someone of whom have never even run for dogcatcher) and Rand, after starting well in the polls, has fallen and hasn't bounced back. Even after a good debate performance where he just let go, we're still mired in single digits and fundraising is nowhere close to what it was in '12 or even '08. There's no energy or buzz about Rand in comparison to Ron, no real theme to the campaign, or representation of it towards an idea or cause or larger movement.

And that's largely due to the candidate himself!
What reporters in the field covering Rand are picking up from watching him interact with voters or after he gives his stump speech is someone who just doesn't care, someone going through the motions or doing what his staff thinks is a good idea and selling it so poorly (like yesterday's livestream) that it comes across as him looking bored or going through the motions (Look at the way he was dressed yesterday. Would he have looked like a future President to someone who wasn't a hardcore supporter? No, he looked like the owner of a Colorado bar.) Thus, the popular narrative of him dropping out eventually and the fact he has Senate campaign as well doesn't help him because it feeds the narrative that Paul can't quite make ups his mind whether he should run for the White House or for re-election. And yes, his opponents are promoting the idea of him dropping out because, well, they're his opponents! Of course they're going to try and trip him up, fair or unfair.

The only way to change this for Rand to start acting like he really wants to be President. When he does, everything else will flow from it and the campaign will improve accordingly. Until then, get used to the drop out question Rand because it's the only one reporters feel worth asking. It certainly won't be about your tax plans, not at four percent in the polls.

Bottom line is this: Rand, do you really want to be the Eugene McCarthy of the Republican Party, a man who started something but was so lazy and diffident he couldn't finish it? Because that's where you're heading. It's up to you but I wish you'd make up your mind so that the people who are doing everything they can to help you quit wasting their time when the candidate they work for won't help them.

Yea, it must be that and not the fact that the MSM coordinates and parrots each other in order to advance their agenda. After all, the first amendment means we have a free and un-bias media. They would never band together to prevent certain candidates from gaining popularity. NEVER!
 
What reporters in the field covering Rand are picking up from watching him interact with voters or after he gives his stump speech is someone who just doesn't care, someone going through the motions or doing what his staff thinks is a good idea and selling it so poorly (like yesterday's livestream) that it comes across as him looking bored or going through the motions (Look at the way he was dressed yesterday. Would he have looked like a future President to someone who wasn't a hardcore supporter? No, he looked like the owner of a Colorado bar.)

100% wrong.

People who dont care dont spend an entire day filibustering.

He didnt want to do the livestream...find me a 50+ year old who would enjoy or want to do that? I can tell you almost all would not. You havent seen any other candidate do it, have you? Its not fun being videoed 24/7. This isnt a reality show.
 
He should have called in a "special, important press conference", (on short notice) which all the media would attend. (since they assume he is dropping out)

Then given the text above as a speech. He would have gotten a lot of coverage for this since everybody was attending anyway.

He could still do that; have people leak that he was dropping out, then put on a press conference dressing down and exposing media malpractice... could be pretty epic if planned right.
 
"People who dont care dont spend an entire day filibustering."

Speaking in the Senate and running for President are two very, VERY different things.

If he didn't want to do the livestream why did he do it then? He is the candidate and it IS his campaign. One would think he would have a certain measure of control over it.
 
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Here's another piece of evidence which I believe backs up my larger point:

With Paul having a nearly perfect attendance record in the Senate, his team suggests he's been fulfilling his responsibility to Kentucky voters despite a hectic presidential campaign schedule. Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/news/politics-government/article39590661.html#storylink=cpy

Oh, okay wonderful! Rand will get a gold star for perfect attendance while someone else will be President. You cannot do both! Running for President is an all consuming venture, not something you do in your spare time! What is it with the Pauls (because his dad had the same problem too) and perfect Congressional attendance? Nobody cares! I think voters know running for President means you're not going to have a lot of time to spend in the Senate. Jeb has attacked Rubio for his "lack of attendance" in the Senate and guess what? It has as about much potenency as 20-day old beer.

You still want to be in the Senate Rand then have your perfect attendance. If you want to be President Rand, then you have to run like it and you're not. It's that simple.

Its also another lesson which needs to be learned around here. After eight years of this it should be plainly obvious that grassroots efforts, while important, cannot overcome a poor candidate or campaign. Not in this day and age of politics. Ron, I can forgive because he's was primarily concerned about message more than anything and if people voted for it, they would do so and that was the deal like it or not. Rand was supposed to be different, supposed to be the one to take the "message" and give it power. As it turns he really isn't that different, he just wants to give the appearance that's he's different. If anything he's worse because he's not delivering a "message" or at least not one that's clear to voters. Instead, he's just another person running for President. There's lots of them you know?
 
They are probably not going to make any drastic changes with the campaign until the end of the year when there should be around 8 candidates and the trumpmania is over. If his statewide numbers in Iowa and NH go back up, he will stay the course. We could be down to 10 in a couple weeks when the bottom 4 realize debates aren't going to help them.
 
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