Rand Paul "Open to Voting for Senate Immigration Bill"

[Brett85]

Why can't you open it and talk about the war on drugs or Justin Amash without bringing up Rand?

Obsessed much?

It was because it was during a time when we were having a discussion about Rand's comments about marijuana to Iowa conservatives, and it was something that was on my mind. But, you're simply derailing this thread. We were having a discussion about Rand's position on immigration.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron said free and open trade and travel is the goal, and that there is no reason not to move in that direction immediately in response to a question about open borders at a New Hampshire rally.

But, he also was clear that any kind of open borders was not possible as long as the welfare state was in place.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I suppose he's defining his terms differently than I would, which is completely fine. And then you've got that whole "libertarian = libertine" stereotype, and the false belief that libertarians have to be pro-choice, so it was probably smarter for him to just call himself a conservative. But he takes libertarian, minarchist positions on almost every if not every issue. Of course he does take positions on issues that theorists haven't necessarily figured out yet but I don't think Ron believes anything that is AGAINST libertarian theory. Granted, that's distinct from the subset of libertarianism known as "Anarchy." Remember that not all libertarians are anarchists.

Here's the deal FF. Libertarianism and conservatism are not separate entities with no crossover principles/beliefs. Paleocons and libertarians share a number of common principles. That is probably why Ron could be loved by groups like the very conservative, JBS, and also loved by many libertarians.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Here's the deal FF. Libertarianism and conservatism are not separate entities with no crossover principles/beliefs. Paleocons and libertarians share a number of common principles. That is probably why Ron could be loved by groups like the very conservative, JBS, and also loved by many libertarians.

I completely agree. I never intended to apply otherwise. I wasn't trying to say Rand was the polar opposite of Rand. Ron Paul definitely seems to have a more libertarian strain though. I'm not even sure Rand is a pure paleoconservative, to my understanding the paleocons are absolute noninterventionists, and Rand isn't or at least he hasn't given us indication that he is. He's closer than anyone else in the senate but he still isn't quite there.

Ron Paul does, however, leave social policy to the states, and correctly so. So even though he personally takes more libertarian views in general, he also agrees with paleocons (And the constitution, and most libertarians for that matter) that those are state level issues.

Ron said free and open trade and travel is the goal, and that there is no reason not to move in that direction immediately in response to a question about open borders at a New Hampshire rally.

Why can't you open it and talk about the war on drugs or Justin Amash without bringing up Rand?

Obsessed much?

 

[Warlord]

Here we go again. FF bringing up Ron in Rands forum and drving a wedge.

Guys, STOP feeding him.

90% of his posts are exactly like this... over and over again.

 

[Brett85]

We should have a rule here that once you get banned you can't come back with a different user name.

 

[Warlord]

We should have a rule here that once you get banned you can't come back with a different user name.

Then you wouldn't get called on your BS.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Wait, there isn't one?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Here we go again. FF bringing up Ron in Rands forum and drving a wedge.

Guys, STOP feeding him.

90% of his posts are exactly like this... over and over again.

You're right.

 

[Brett85]

Well, I brought up Ron, but it wasn't to criticize either Ron or Rand. I was just pointing out that while some of the immigration hawks here have a problem with Rand's position on immigration, my own personal opinion is that Rand is still more conservative on this issue than Ron was. That's just my personal opinion. Others may disagree.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Here we go again. FF bringing up Ron in Rands forum and driving a wedge.

Guys, STOP feeding him.

90% of his posts are exactly like this... over and over again.

Worth repeating.

 

[ObiRandKenobi]

The immigration aspect of this bill aside (rimshot), it's not a small government bill.

It's 1,000 incomprehensible pages of regulations and triggers that will be left up to big government bureaucrats to implement.

For those reasons and others, I hope Rand opposes it.