Rand Paul op-ed: Don't Fall For A Fake Conservative

[jj-]

No one. Why would they? Only Trump is pandering to the cousin marrying, illiterate, racist vote.

This is the problem here. Calling people whose relatives were murdered by illegal criminals and people who think that shouldn't happen "illiterate" and "racist". Nothing good is going to come out of that.

 

[AuH20]

Fake conservative money is good though.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...l-to-support-guatemala-charity-eye-surgeries/

 

[RonPaulMall]

What he should be doing is acting like he doesn't have a problem with Trump and going after Jeb, Christie, and other establishment guys and only establishment guys. That way, once Trump mania is over, and it will eventually be over, he will be there to pick up a good chunk of Trump folks, including those weaker Rand fans that strayed for a bit during Trampsanity.

Bingo. Why do people like Trump? Because they absolutely despise guys like Jeb, Boehner, McCain, ect. Rand should have been launching firebombs at Jeb. He should have been talking about the betrayal of Congressional leaders. He should have been talking about the failed promises of the Bush administration. His dust up with Christie was without question the highlight of Rand's night. He actually should have gone after Christie even harder and instead of just the eye roll laid in to the guy for hiding behind 9/11 widows.

 

[dannno]

This is the problem here. Calling people whose relatives were murdered by illegal criminals and people who think that shouldn't happen "illiterate" and "racist". Nothing good is going to come out of that.

Ya, I prefer facts. I don't think zippy is very good at presenting all the facts in many instances, but I do agree with him here

That means that Texas (one of those "violent border/ high illegal immigrant states") has a lower murder rate among illegal aliens than citizens.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Many-States&p=5951522&viewfull=1#post5951522

 

[Crashland]

This is the problem here. Calling people whose relatives were murdered by illegal criminals and people who think that shouldn't happen "illiterate" and "racist". Nothing good is going to come out of that.

There's a fundamental fallacy at play here though. It's like saying wow, look at all these examples of home burglars who should have been in jail already for insurance fraud. That shouldn't happen. Clearly we need to crack down and go after people who commit insurance fraud. We need to make sure they go to jail so that there will no longer be any home burglaries committed by people who should have already been in jail for insurance fraud...

Well, yes, but there's a bit of a disconnect here...

 

[libertyplz]

Fake conservative money is good though.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...l-to-support-guatemala-charity-eye-surgeries/

“It wasn’t to Rand Paul foundation, it wasn’t to Rand Paul, it wasn’t to any of his victory committees—it was directly to University of Utah,” Gor said.
“Well, of course,” Gor confirmed when asked whether Paul helped solicit the donation. “It’s not a secret. And he [Paul] admires him [Trump] for it. But it has nothing to do with his political positions. His charity giving was honorable. No one questions that. In fact, it’s been under reported.”

 

[AuH20]

“It wasn’t to Rand Paul foundation, it wasn’t to Rand Paul, it wasn’t to any of his victory committees—it was directly to University of Utah,” Gor said.
“Well, of course,” Gor confirmed when asked whether Paul helped solicit the donation. “It’s not a secret. And he [Paul] admires him [Trump] for it. But it has nothing to do with his political positions. His charity giving was honorable. No one questions that. In fact, it’s been under reported.”

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

 

[jj-]

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

You don't even need to bring that up to notice that what Rand is doing is stupid. Just look at how Cruz is doing in the poll. Rand should've presented his own message - not whine about Trump- and waited until Trump's support collapsed and the normal rules of politics returned. He can't be the one bringing down Trump becoming the PC police, because the Trump voters would then just go to someone else if their candidate drops out.

 

[AuH20]

You don't even need to bring that up to notice that what Rand is doing is stupid. Just look at how Cruz is doing in the poll. Rand should've presented his own message - not whine about Trump- and waited until Trump's support collapsed and the normal rules of politics returned. He can't be the one bringing down Trump becoming the PC police, because the Trump voters would then just go to someone else.

Rand is putting his senate seat possibly on the line with this scorched earth plan. Maybe he wants out of politics?

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

You don't even need to bring that up to notice that what Rand is doing is stupid. Just look at how Cruz is doing in the poll. Rand should've presented his own message - not whine about Trump- and waited until Trump's support collapsed and the normal rules of politics returned. He can't be the one bringing down Trump becoming the PC police, because the Trump voters would then just go to someone else if their candidate drops out.

lol. That is so illogical. He can only bring him down by being the 'PC police' if Trump's supporters recognize what Rand is saying as true.

eta: How is pointing out legitimate flaws being a PC police?

 

[Crashland]

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

It means maybe Rand can appreciate someone's philanthropic contributions while disagreeing wholeheartedly with their politics? George Clooney donated to help earthquake victims in Haiti. Does that mean if you worked with that humanitarian organization, or were the president of it for that matter, that you shouldn't rip him to shreds if you find yourself running against him politically?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

^^^Don't even bother, he's knows it's bullshit, he's just trolling.

 

[T.hill]

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

Rand will and has attacked others running for president on the basis of substance. I don't think Rand could be anymore explicit that his campaign against Donald trump has to do with public policy and not character. If Donald doesn't like being criticized for his positions and actions then maybe he should reconsider running for president.

 

[jj-]

If Donald doesn't like being criticized for his positions and actions then maybe he should reconsider running for president.

Not sure about. He doesn't like it but is still leading the polls.

 

[T.hill]

Not sure about. He doesn't like it but is still leading the polls.

He's also polling the worst against all democratic rivals, what's your point? If he wins the nomination the polls show, for the moment, that his candidacy is dead on arrival.

 

[Crashland]

The more successful Trump is, the more strongly the anti-Trump vote will be absolutely disgusted and fed up with Trump, which makes going after Trump a good position. And if Trump falls, being the one to take him down is not a bad position either. Win-win, especially if no one else has the balls to stand up to the bully.

 

[DisneyFan]

Tumbling down the hill means he is losing his supporters. If you are the one pushing him down the hill it means you said something in order for his supporters to leave him. Being that Rand attacked him by contrasting their positions I think he'd stand to gain a good chunk of any that left. And the alternative is of course leaving him atop the hill. Probably as safe as Rand should be playing it considering the relevant data, imo.

When Trump tumbles down the hill, many candidates will probably benefit at least a little, but Cruz will most likely be the one to get the most significant boost.

Why? Because he has set himself up perfectly as the guy who is just as anti-GOP-establishment as Trump, but actually can answer substantive questions unlike Trump. And he has done so while still being on good terms with Trump, so if you are a fan of Trump, Cruz is an easy fit once The Donald is no more.

 

[DisneyFan]

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

I don't agree with Rand's decision to go after Trump, but this is just weak. This is the game called politics and Trump and Rand are competing for the biggest prize in the entire world. A 10k charity donation doesn't mean squat.

 

[ARealConservative]

I would feel strange waging war against someone that gave me 10k for my charity work. Apparently, Rand isn't bothered by it.

Rand donated time, Trump donated money.

neither owns the other a thing, to even bring it up shows how brainless and emotion based Trump backers are

 

[DisneyFan]

The more successful Trump is, the more strongly the anti-Trump vote will be absolutely disgusted and fed up with Trump, which makes going after Trump a good position. And if Trump falls, being the one to take him down is not a bad position either. Win-win, especially if no one else has the balls to stand up to the bully.

The people who are strongly against Trump right now are mostly establishment-type Republicans. (Others have people other than Trump as their faves, but that is not the same as being vocally anti-Trump.) Establishment Republicans will never give a Rand a chance even if he is the one to make Trump crumble (and he probably won't be). Do not underestimate how much Rand is hated in those circles for his work against drone strikes, domestic surveillance, etc. He will never receive their support. Ever.