Rand Paul on the Life at Conception Act

[jmdrake]

To be fair, Senator Paul, you're the one bringing this up with your Life at Conception Act legislation. If you don't want to discuss this issue, why bring it up?

Because A) he wants to actually do something about abortion which is the reason Ron brought up his version of the sanctity of life act and B) he needs to build up his cred with conservative voters who like his dad on fiscal issues but somehow got the dumb idea that being against preemptive war = "liberal".

 

[itshappening]

Rand Paul supports allowing rape victims to have access to the morning after pill, so any claim that Rand wants to "force rape victims to give birth" is completely untrue.

And do you think the Dems and their PACs care about truth? They will use these tactics if you dont support exceptions.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And do you think the Dems and their PACs care about truth? They will use these tactics if you dont support exceptions.

Tactics that have historically only worked on candidates who feed them ammunition by giving thoughtless answers.

 

[itshappening]

Laws against murder always include the defense of self defense and necessity. Next!



Do you want the republican primary to be dominated by the abortion question so that you don't make it to the general election? In the general flip the script and put the pro choice candidate on the defensive by asking him why he wants to impose the death penalty on the innocent children of rapists. And if you accept Plan B as an alternative (and Rand has in the past) there is already a "rape exception" that many pro lifers can live with. But an open ended "You can have an abortion any time in the pregnancy as long as you claim you were raped" exception is guaranteed to lose someone like Rand the nomination. There would be no general election to worry about.



And that's a recipe for not winning the GOP nomination in the first place especially if you are a "Paul" and you already have the "Republicans are wary about your foreign policy because of your dad" baggage.

No, exceptions should be made clear in a general election, not a primary election. Independent women and moms don't want to hear anything else and that is a large voting block. I'm sorry you can't understand this.

 

[itshappening]

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of opposing abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother, and that stance didn't help him one bit.

Romney lost for many other reasons. If he said no abortions in any circumstance, his loss would have been greater.

There were already huge national storms over Akin and Mourdock that the media were hammering the GOP on

 

[AuH20]

Romney lost for many other reasons. If he said no abortions in any circumstance, his loss would have been greater.

There were already huge national storms over Akin and Mourdock that the media were hammering the GOP on

Romney did extraordinarily well with white women as a whole. Where he got destroyed was with minority women.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Romney lost for many other reasons. If he said no abortions in any circumstance, his loss would have been greater.

There were already huge national storms over Akin and Mourdock that the media were hammering the GOP on

Because they gave stupid answers.

 

[jmdrake]

No, exceptions should be made clear in a general election, not a primary election. Independent women and moms don't want to hear anything else and that is a large voting block. I'm sorry you can't understand this.

I thought you said you were against waffling? If Rand get's pinned down in the primary and says he doesn't support a rape exception, then he gets to the general election he gets charged FAIRLY with waffling! I'm sorry that you don't know the meaning of the words you are vainly attempting to use. Mitt Romney tried your "etch-a-sketch" strategy and lost. And now you think Rand ought to try it? And trust me, he will be asked in republican primary debates about what exceptions he agrees to for abortion, especially with his past statements about Plan B. If he takes your advice and gives a blanket "I support a rape exception to abortion laws" answer....he won't make it out of Iowa. That's a fact whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.

 

[itshappening]

Rand Paul supports allowing rape victims to have access to the morning after pill, so any claim that Rand wants to "force rape victims to give birth" is completely untrue.

That's not going to work because a raped teenage girl might not come forward for weeks and thus might want an abortion, would you deny it to her?

 

[trey4sports]

yuck. shit like this just makes me gag.

 

[itshappening]

I thought you said you were against waffling? If Rand get's pinned down in the primary and says he doesn't support a rape exception, then he gets to the general election he gets charged FAIRLY with waffling! I'm sorry that you don't know the meaning of the words you are vainly attempting to use. Mitt Romney tried your "etch-a-sketch" strategy and lost. And now you think Rand ought to try it? And trust me, he will be asked in republican primary debates about what exceptions he agrees to for abortion, especially with his past statements about Plan B. If he takes your advice and gives a blanket "I support a rape exception to abortion laws" answer....he won't make it out of Iowa. That's a fact whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.

All Rand has to say in a primary is that he is 100% pro-life and point to his record. If he wins the nomination he then has to make it clear he supports exceptions or he will have the opposition and PACs hammering him with rape victims on tv in swing states. That's not a pretty sight and hard to refute.

Romeny's loss would have been greater if he didn't support exceptions, there was a huge storm over Akin and Mourdock and the media had a field day over it.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That's not going to work because a raped teenage girl might not come forward for weeks and thus might want an abortion, would you deny it to her?

If the only solution available to prevent pregnancies from rape was the morning after pill, then the victims would be encouraged to come forward earlier when there is a better chance of putting the monster who did it behind bars.

 

[AuH20]

Great name for a web site ridiculing Rand Paul for his stance on the unborn. If it wasn't so ironic............................ Keep terminating those black children in the misbegotten name of civil rights.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...on-once-and-for-all/politics/2012/11/26/54644

 

[jmdrake]

Romney lost for many other reasons. If he said no abortions in any circumstance, his loss would have been greater.

There were already huge national storms over Akin and Mourdock that the media were hammering the GOP on

Who said he should run on a "No abortions under any circumstances" platform? But a blanket "abortions for rape and incest" exception = epic loss in Iowa. Rand would lose the teocon vote and he's already lost the establishment vote. Considering misgivings among Ron Paul supporters about how Rand soft peddles his dad's foreign policy and you've just set him up to fail on the false hope that he'll survive to win the independent women vote in the general election.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

All Rand has to say in a primary is that he is 100% pro-life and point to his record. If he wins the nomination he then has to make it clear he supports exceptions or he will have the opposition and PACs hammering him with rape victims on tv in swing states. That's not a pretty sight and hard to refute.

Then why haven't the scores of other radical pro-lifers had this treatment, only Mourdock and Aiken?

because Mourdock and Aiken gave stupid answers.

Rand knows better than that. Now.

 

[itshappening]

Because they gave stupid answers.

What makes you think Rand might not slip up and give a stupid answer under repeated questioning after weeks of non-stop campaigning? you can't predict what he will say when they unleash the assault on this and believe me they will and it won't be pretty.

it's seriously not somewhere where we want to go or need to go.

 

[AuH20]

Then why haven't the scores of other radical pro-lifers had this treatment, only Mourdock and Aiken?

because Mourdock and Aiken gave stupid answers.

Rand knows better than that. Now.

Akin made a ridiculous comment about the female body being naturally imbued with the biological ability to derail conception or something highly objectionable along those lines.

 

[itshappening]

Then why haven't the scores of other radical pro-lifers had this treatment, only Mourdock and Aiken?

because Mourdock and Aiken gave stupid answers.

Rand knows better than that. Now.

Buck was also hammered by Bennet on abortion in colorado and he lost by 2 points in a race he should have won.

Mourdock was in Indiana, a state Romney carried by 15 points but lost to a Democrat by 5 points. Why? Voters got turned off when he got hammered on abortion, even though what he said wasn't as bad as Akin.

Rand will get hammered on the rape issue and the pill is no defense to teenage girls who dont come forward until weeks later. would you deny the crying, violated 13 year old an abortion? they will find this girl and put her on TV. What do you say to this Gunny?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What makes you think Rand might not slip up and give a stupid answer under repeated questioning after weeks of non-stop campaigning? you can't predict what he will say when they unleash the assault on this and believe me they will and it won't be pretty.

Six years of intensive experience at dealing with the media nightmare develops ability.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Its the same as Ron's position, and he did well in NH. The key is just to not focus on it too much. It cannot become the center of the campaign.

Too late for that.

You have to win the Primary before you get to the General. What position have other potential candidates staked out?

Here's one:

Lost in the massive debate over Komen and Planned Parenthood, pro-life Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has given what many attendees of the Wednesday night Susan B. Anthony List dinner call the best pro-life speech of the year.

Rubio rallied pro-life supporters at the SBA List’s fifth annual Campaign for Life Gala in Washington, D.C., saying that the country “can never truly become what it fully was intended to be unless it deals with [abortion] squarely…it’s that important.”

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/03/marco-rubio-gives-amazingly-powerful-pro-life-speech/