Rand Paul: Obama Cutting Tomahawk Missile Makes No Sense

[kcchiefs6465]

I wonder how many have seen the bodies of Al Majalah.

Peace through strength, huh?

They couldn't separate the goat from the children so they buried them all in a mass grave.

Pay for that shit yourself.

 

[gusbaker]

Second post and you insult forum members. Nice.

What does my post count have to do with anything? If I say the sun is shining does my post count make it any more or less true? Sorry, I don't spend my life hanging out here. If I was rude it's because I've spent the last 3yrs fighting against the "isolationist" "pacifist" meme thinking it was just political hacks taking cheap shots at RP supporters, reading the few topics I have here maybe those attacks weren't so far off, but hey, if this is another one of those sites that judge the value of someone's statement on how much time they spend on the internet, you can always ban me, but I speak my mind.

 

[phill4paul]

What does my post count have to do with anything? If I say the sun is shining does my post count make it any more or less true? Sorry, I don't spend my life hanging out here. If I was rude it's because I've spent the last 3yrs fighting against the "isolationist" "pacifist" meme thinking it was just political hacks taking cheap shots at RP supporters, reading the few topics I have here maybe those attacks weren't so far off, but hey, if this is another one of those sites that judge the value of someone's statement on how much time they spend on the internet, you can always ban me, but I speak my mind.

Meh, not my site. I can't ban shit. I just think it a bit rude to jump on a new forum and start insulting members. That's just me though. Carry on.

 

[jtstellar]

What does my post count have to do with anything? If I say the sun is shining does my post count make it any more or less true? Sorry, I don't spend my life hanging out here. If I was rude it's because I've spent the last 3yrs fighting against the "isolationist" "pacifist" meme thinking it was just political hacks taking cheap shots at RP supporters, reading the few topics I have here maybe those attacks weren't so far off, but hey, if this is another one of those sites that judge the value of someone's statement on how much time they spend on the internet, you can always ban me, but I speak my mind.

do speak your mind

 

[Vanguard101]

I think this is where we seperate the non-interventionist with the fairytale believing pacifists. I agree many things in the military should be scaled back, but I see no reason to cut this, it's just a cheap ploy by Obama, Rand is right. Yes, I know I'm new here, but I have been part of Ron Paul's crowd since 2011, now I'm starting to see where some of those smears against RP supporters come from, some of you are dilusional about the world, we don't need to be aggressive with the world, but we do need to have a strong military.

This^



We have anarchists on this website?

Meh, not my site. I can't ban shit. I just think it a bit rude to jump on a new forum and start insulting members. That's just me though. Carry on.

If you a mod and you banned him, I would consider you a statist

 

[phill4paul]

If you a mod and you banned him, I would consider you a statist

This is my concerned face.

 

[Crashland]

What does my post count have to do with anything? If I say the sun is shining does my post count make it any more or less true? Sorry, I don't spend my life hanging out here. If I was rude it's because I've spent the last 3yrs fighting against the "isolationist" "pacifist" meme thinking it was just political hacks taking cheap shots at RP supporters, reading the few topics I have here maybe those attacks weren't so far off, but hey, if this is another one of those sites that judge the value of someone's statement on how much time they spend on the internet, you can always ban me, but I speak my mind.

Hey welcome to the forum. As you can see we are a very diverse group. If you hang around you will learn to embrace the frustration. Hit em hard if you want but try to keep it reason-based and not personal if you can. I sometimes disagree strongly with some people here on some issues but half the time in the next topic we could be on the same side.

On the topic at hand, I don't think tomahawk missiles would be the first thing I would cut from the military, but I would gladly scale back the missiles if it came with other cuts and not policing the world.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

I'm an anarchist. I hate government. I want no government. I want no taxes. I want no military industrial complex. I want no state-sponsored destruction, and I want even less state-sponsored death.

Having said all of that, of all things our federal government spends money on, procuring these missiles is potentially the very last expense that should be cut.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

we don't need to be aggressive with the world, but we do need to have a strong military.

Then you pay for it.

 

[mad cow]

Then you pay for it.

If you want schools,You pay for them.
See how that works?

 

[gusbaker]

Then you pay for it.

I will, but if you think you're just going to sit here and hide behind the protection of the military I pay for you're mistaken, doesn't work that way.

Hey welcome to the forum. As you can see we are a very diverse group. If you hang around you will learn to embrace the frustration. Hit em hard if you want but try to keep it reason-based and not personal if you can. I sometimes disagree strongly with some people here on some issues but half the time in the next topic we could be on the same side.

On the topic at hand, I don't think tomahawk missiles would be the first thing I would cut from the military, but I would gladly scale back the missiles if it came with other cuts and not policing the world.

Thank you, and OK, I will apologize, my post may have been a bit rude, I guess a better question to ask then for those who say we should get rid of the tomahawk because it has been used improperly: Tell me, what weapon hasn't our military used improperly? Which one's do you want to keep, which do you want to get rid of? Or are you suggesting the military should go altogether?

Do you honestly believe that without Tomahawks our govt will stop it's aggression? Do you really think there aren't a laundry list of weapons at the govts disposal that could do just as much if not more damage? How many of you have fired and M-60? I don't mean to steal another posters thunder but I completely agree with the person who said this argument is the same as the liberals who think banning assault weapons will stop gun crime.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

If you want schools,You pay for them.
See how that works?

And where did I say I was against privatizing education?

 

[Cabal]

If you want schools,You pay for them.
See how that works?

Are you assuming he wouldn't be willing to pay for his own education, or that of his friends/family; or that he wouldn't be willing to voluntarily contribute to a school in his community?

I will, but if you think you're just going to sit here and hide behind the protection of the military I pay for you're mistaken, doesn't work that way.

So, instead you will support taking money by force to pay for what military you deem necessary to those who you would take money from?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

I will, but if you think you're just going to sit here and hide behind the protection of the military I pay for you're mistaken, doesn't work that way.

Haha please. If I'm going to be hiding behind protection, it's because I'm going to be as far away from the military as possible.

 

[mad cow]

And where did I say I was against privatizing education?

Good,although you don't seem to mind eating at the trough in the meantime.

I am also for privatizing all schools,but I'm not an Anarchist.I'm a strict Constitutionalist,like Ron Paul,and I think not only is National Defense Constitutional,it is one of the Federal Government's most important duties under the Constitution.

And BTW,I think Federal spending for education is UNConstitutional.

 

[gusbaker]

So, instead you will support taking money by force to pay for what military you deem necessary to those who you would take money from?

Haha, wording is something isn't it? I would support people paying for something they receive the benefits of. I don't approve of most of what our military does but if you think other nations wouldn't swoop in and conquer us and kill or oppress you without our military, well, I'll go back to my first comment, you are delusional, you don't want a military or to live under it's protection, fine, you guys save up, buy yourselves an island and leave your fate to the mercy of the rest of the world, let me know how that works for ya.

Hey, I'm up to 5 posts, this goes quick.

 

[AuH20]

Haha, wording is something isn't it? I would support people paying for something they receive the benefits of. I don't approve of most of what our military does but if you think other nations wouldn't swoop in and conquer us and kill or oppress you without our military, well, I'll go back to my first comment, you are delusional, you don't want a military or to live under it's protection, fine, you guys save up, buy yourselves an island and leave your fate to the mercy of the rest of the world, let me know how that works for ya.

Hey, I'm up to 5 posts, this goes quick.

So comes reality like a brick to the face. I hate the entire government structure, but let's cut to the chase. Without any military capabilities, we'd be colonized and exploited rather quickly. Trading one master for another. That's not to say that you write a blank check to the MIC either.

 

[Crashland]

Do you honestly believe that without Tomahawks our govt will stop it's aggression? Do you really think there aren't a laundry list of weapons at the govts disposal that could do just as much if not more damage? How many of you have fired and M-60? I don't mean to steal another posters thunder but I completely agree with the person who said this argument is the same as the liberals who think banning assault weapons will stop gun crime.

I'm inclined to agree. Whether we have money going to the tomahawk missiles is basically irrelevant compared to the way the military is actually *used*, but it makes for a convenient talking point for Rand to help guard against the isolationism/no military attacks, I guess. Although when you consider the sheer numbers on how much we spend on our military...we could cut the military budget in half and still be spending twice as much money as the next highest military spender which is China.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Good,although you don't seem to mind eating at the trough in the meantime.

What the fuck are you talking about? I graduated from college and paid for tuition myself.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

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