Rand Paul: My Dad’s Supporters in Iowa Won’t Go for Ted Cruz

[CPUd]

So if Ron comes in and we WIN IOWA. You say that is a net negative for us? As opposed to what, our current position? I disagree. If Rand wins Iowa without Ron they will discredit it too (stupid college idealogs ect). He has a better chance of winning Iowa with Ron out there. Winning Iowa is GOOD for us!!

Winning Iowa is good if he sticks to his strategy, which may or may not include having Ron stump for him.

 

[Antwan15]

Winning Iowa is good if he sticks to his strategy, which may or may not include having Ron stump for him.

What do you mean by this? That if Ron campaigns for Rand and it works it could be bad? The current situation is pretty bad i think. I really don't see much of a downside to it is all.

 

[mit26chell]

Rand's biggest mistake has been allowing Cruz to do stuff like this by completely ignoring his father (remember he wouldn't even talk about his own father in interviews). Rand should have been using Ron this entire campaign, assuming Ron was willing to do so.

 

[CPUd]

What do you mean by this? That if Ron campaigns for Rand and it works it could be bad? The current situation is pretty bad i think. I really don't see much of a downside to it is all.

Yes, suppose Ron comes in and somehow wins Iowa for Rand, then it becomes the Ron 2016 campaign. We learned the last 2 cycles that Ron can't get enough supporters to the polls in the primary states, and this means the hypothetical Ron 2016 will not fare much better than the 2012 campaign. So not only will Rand have to hear the same things he has heard all his political life about having an entire voter base handed to him, he still won't have gotten to see how far he could have made it on his own.

Rand 2016 is much better organized than Ron's campaigns, much closer to what one would expect from a top tier presidential campaign. Sometimes the campaign might make decisions I don't agree with, I may post something to the effect of I don't agree, but then I move on. Having said that, if the campaign strategy is to get Ron involved at some point, I'm OK with it. And if they don't, I'm OK with that, too.

 

[CPUd]

Rand's biggest mistake has been allowing Cruz to do stuff like this by completely ignoring his father (remember he wouldn't even talk about his own father in interviews). Rand should have been using Ron this entire campaign, assuming Ron was willing to do so.

He talked about Ron 2 days ago on Colbert.

 

[Antwan15]

He talked about Ron 2 days ago on Colbert.

To be fair, Colbert is the on who brought up Ron. He would never have mentioned him otherwise. Sad, but true.

Were not saying build the campaing around Ron. Just dont go FOX News on us and pretend he doesn't exist. That is what is happening.

 

[Antwan15]

Yes, suppose Ron comes in and somehow wins Iowa for Rand, then it becomes the Ron 2016 campaign. We learned the last 2 cycles that Ron can't get enough supporters to the polls in the primary states, and this means the hypothetical Ron 2016 will not fare much better than the 2012 campaign. So not only will Rand have to hear the same things he has heard all his political life about having an entire voter base handed to him, he still won't have gotten to see how far he could have made it on his own.

Rand 2016 is much better organized than Ron's campaigns, much closer to what one would expect from a top tier presidential campaign. Sometimes the campaign might make decisions I don't agree with, I may post something to the effect of I don't agree, but then I move on. Having said that, if the campaign strategy is to get Ron involved at some point, I'm OK with it. And if they don't, I'm OK with that, too.

I would be inclined to agree with you, if there was a SINGLE state that Rand is doing better that Ron did. Primary or Caucus. Seems to me if we got back to 2012 numbers we would be in a much better spot. Thats why i say there is no downside. It can not get worse.

And I don't think it turns into Ron Paul 2016. The campaign could be tactful in how they use him.

 

[moraha]

For all we know, Ron and Rand might not even get along behind closed doors. When Rand endorsed Romney before Ron was out of the race, I was completely speechless and I can't imagine how Ron felt about that. On top of that, Rand rarely mentions him.

Personally, I think Ron would be big help especially if he has his typical speeches (his passion is completely unmatched by any of the other candidates), but I'm thinking it's too late for him to jump on the campaign with only a few weeks away.

 

[idiom]

Ron is an awesome surrogate. He could increase dramatically the number of counties the campaign was hitting each day.

 

[twomp]

Iowa’s delegation at the Republican National Convention cast 22 of its 28 votes for Ron Paul – nearly 79 percent of the delegation. That’s the same Ron Paul who came in third in the Iowa caucuses with 21.5 percent of the vote.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/08/28/yes-ron-paul-won-the-iowa-caucuses

The rEVOLution will be marginalized, trivialized and ostracized.

 

[Badger Paul]

"But you and I know that is not the case. The campaign shut him out. Ron's not tired, he would be there in a heartbeat."

If this is true than all the stuff we pooh-poohed about their rift between Rand and Ron maybe really is true.

The larger point though of all of this is that the real enemy is not Donald Trump but Ted Cruz. Trump would be a disaster as President but nobody expects him to win. But if wins the GOP nomination, he can blow up the political system which would benefit the Paul movement in the long run. Nominate Cruz and you'll live under the same agony of the establishment yet again. For all his anti-system posturing, Cruz is very much a part of the same system (think Ivy League lawyer). He needs system money and system political infrastructure to succeed. Trump doesn't need these things.

Any Paul supporter who vote for Cruz condemns themselves to the same fate they've been working against for the past eight years. At least if Rand fails a Trump nomination would be a productive thing to support if only to smash the system, both the party establishment and the conservative establishment (Conservative INC.) which keeps us down.