Rand Paul leaves open 2016

Matt Collins said:
HA! Jeb should be taken very seriously, he has the means, the name, and the ability to do it. All he has to say is "I'm not my brother".
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This.

I know plenty of Dems who despised Dubya, but loved Jeb...especially because he was governor during our bad hurricanes in 2004 and 2005.
 
Shane Harris said:
lala land. The idea that some remote and entirely unrealistic primary threat from Rand will make Romney be a better President is so beyond ridiculous. That has to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses to think Romney might not be so bad after all.
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You fail to understand the nature of politics. And no, I don't support Romney.
 
Shane Harris said:
I did see it. Its great, but ever since he's been in general campaign mode he's been seeming more pragmatic in his approach. utilitarian in his whole "see what works and what doesn't" stuff that seems to suggest just making government more efficient rather than ending programs or phasing them out. On the Daily show he made his book sound like just a handful of odd regulations he wants to be more reasonable about, but made sure everyone knew he likes some regulations and didn't make much of a philosophical or moral stand against the entire idea.
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It's called knowing one's audience which is needed if you are to win people over to your side.
 
RickPerryLost said:
Are you a Rand apologist or something? Does he do no wrong in your eyes. Please, pass the kool-aid.
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No, not at all. I don't care for his rhetoric sometimes, but I realize it is just that, rhetoric. His policies (voting record) I fully support.
 
Matt Collins said:
Uhh... no one is waiting for anything, we are actually DOING it now. The movement has been growing and moving ahead making huge gains and successes over the last 4 years. Where have you been? :confused:

Rand isn't secretly working for us, he's openly working for us.
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oh yeah, that time he endorsed Mitt Romney really helped us out.


Where have I been? Ive seen nothing but a loss of freedom in the last four years and a bunch of "internet" folks saying "we wont take this for much longer"
 
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some of the things Rand has done...

>Stops Iran sanction bill that would lead to troops without congressional approval
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/senator-rand-paul-calls-t_b_1386042.html

>Blocks marijuana ban
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_Senator_Rand_Paul_blocks_synthetic_marijuana_legislation

>Sen. Rand Paul joins Oregon Sen. Wyden's push for legal hemp
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/06/11/151867/sen-rand-paul-joins-oregon-sen.html

>Democratic majority leader Harry Reid Blocks Rand Paul’s Filibuster of the PATRIOT Act
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/harry-reid-rand-paul-patriot-act-showdown-goes-132752391.html

>Introduced legislation that would prohibit law enforcement agencies from using unmanned aerial vehicles to conduct surveillance without a warrant.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/12/rand-paul-proposes-bill-to-prevent-warrantless-drone-surveilla
nce/

>Rand Paul Breaks With Top Romney Legal Adviser, Endorses Constitutional Right To Contraception
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/03/637041/tea-party-senator-breaks-with-top-romney-legal-ad
viser-endorses-constitutional-right-to-contraception/

>Anti-Lobbying bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFe7k9_ESI8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2275f11FAAAAAAAAAAA

>Rand Paul Outlines his support for Internet Freedom, keeping the internet unregulated without SOPA and CISPA legislation. (Starts at 15:00)
http://www.heritage.org/events/2012/08/rand-paul-internet-freedom

>Rand Paul tries to end the Iraq war
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00211

>Rand Paul onl no agaisnt preemptive war with Iran
http://news.yahoo.com/senate-approves-resolution-iran-044224956.html
 
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Matt Collins said:
No, not at all. I don't care for his rhetoric sometimes, but I realize it is just that, rhetoric. His policies (voting record) I fully support.
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This I know. I agree, but I don't think Ron would've attracted the enthusiasm or movement he did if his rhetoric wasn't the way it was. It's been more than Ron's voting record. The Ghouliani moment was about him not mincing words and speaking the truth, which is more commendable than just quietly voting the truth (which is also necessary). I know that he will switch his rhetoric, its just irritating to hear and to know that what might help him with the establishment might hurt him with the movement and stunt his ability to educate and bring more people into the fold for more than just one election. This might help win votes but could stunt the movement's REAL growth in terms of hearts and minds truly changed towards liberty and apathies cured. Tailoring your message too much results in soft support. Speaking the truth might not win you as much as fast, but what you win you keep forever. Ron showed us this. I support Rand in 2016 and that's why I care and why I hope he can retain his many talents while being a little more like Ron as well.
 
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Shane Harris said:
This I know. I agree, but I don't think Ron would've attracted the enthusiasm or movement he did if his rhetoric wasn't the way it was. It's been more than Ron's voting record. The Ghouliani moment was about him not mincing words and speaking the truth, which is more commendable than just quietly voting the truth (which is also necessary). I know that he will switch his rhetoric, its just irritating to hear and to know that what might help him with the establishment might hurt him with the movement and stunt his ability to educate and bring more people into the fold for more than just one election. This might help win votes but could stunt the movement's REAL growth in terms of hearts and minds truly changed towards liberty and apathies cured. Tailoring your message too much results in soft support. Speaking the truth might not win you as much as fast, but what you win you keep forever. Ron showed us this. I support Rand in 2012 and that's why I care and why I hope he can retain his many talents while being a little more like Ron as well.
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This is our job. To educate and bring more people into the fold. Rand is playing politics to pass legislation in favor of liberty. He is on a different path. I think many others need to realize that Ron and Rand are playing different roles pursuing the same goal. This is not a one man revolution. We need many people with different skill sets.
 
^^

I've never really had a reason to say this before but I keep thinking this is appropriate for the Rand situation.....

"Don't Hate The Playa, Hate The Game"
 
Bastiat's The Law said:
Rand phrases it well when speaking to republican groups. A lot of people were under the impression that Ron was a pacifist and wouldn't protect the country. Rand defuses that right away by saying national defense is vitally important. You really have to walk voters through that obvious stuff otherwise they go off believing all kinds of crazy stuff about your candidate.
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This.

Most Americans are fucking stupid.

See Here Comes Honey Boo Boo for an example.
 
RickPerryLost said:
Based on what? There is more proof it did help him than it didn't. If you have somebody campaigning for you, that usually helps you.
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How did it help? Do you think any Rand / Ron supporters actually change their mind to vote FOR Mitt Romney because of Rand's endorsemrnt? :confused:
 
Uriah said:
This is our job. To educate and bring more people into the fold. Rand is playing politics to pass legislation in favor of liberty. He is on a different path. I think many others need to realize that Ron and Rand are playing different roles pursuing the same goal. This is not a one man revolution. We need many people with different skill sets.
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true
 
Uriah said:
This is our job. To educate and bring more people into the fold. Rand is playing politics to pass legislation in favor of liberty. He is on a different path. I think many others need to realize that Ron and Rand are playing different roles pursuing the same goal. This is not a one man revolution. We need many people with different skill sets.
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Rand playing politics to pass legislation led to 10 votes in his favor to cut a measly few billion dollars in foreign aid to a few countries. It's also bleeding support from Ron's core base. You'll forgive me if I'm not exactly excited by those prospects.
 
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