Rand Paul leaves open 2016

[Matt Collins]

Chris Christie is going to be really really hard to beat. He is pretty much the perfect candidate, from a political perspective.

Maybe not: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...istie-Praises-Obama-And-Shows-His-True-Colors

 

[Matt Collins]

Jeb Bush should not be a threat.

HA! Jeb should be taken very seriously, he has the means, the name, and the ability to do it. All he has to say is "I'm not my brother".

 

[Matt Collins]

Guys!!! Rand Sounded very much to me like if Mitt Romney wins this election, he will not run. Why would he care what happens on election?
Unless Mitt really screws up in office, I have my doubts about Rand running in 2016

Maybe Ron Paul will run in 2016???

Um.....because you're not going to primary a sitting Republican president

Actually it's very possible that Rand could do that. In fact the mere threat of Rand doing that could cause Romney serious heartburn and might even maybe be enough to change his behavior. Rand has an independent fundraising base seperate from the Party structure (us) and also the IAGOP is full of Paul supporters.

 

[Matt Collins]

Why not, Pat Buchanan did and I'd argue that he got a lot what he wanted out of his insurgency. Keep in mind Rand was talking about shaping the party and leading it into a different direction more than actually running the country. I'd argue that if he really made Republicans think about the direction of the party, causing it to shift towards a more small government, libertarian position, he'd consider even a primary loss a success. Then he would go back to the Senate and serve as a counterweight to the Rubio's of the world, and maybe run again in 2020 if Romney were to win this year.

Exactly, "winning" an election doesn't always mean getting elected.

Here are ways you can win an election without getting elected -

- build name recognition for a future run
- build an advocacy organization
- raise awareness of an issue
- force the other candidates to discuss things they don't want to
- cause pain to others by forcing them to spend money and effort competing against you
etc

 

[Matt Collins]

He will need to paint with bold colors and broad strokes based on the central unifying idea of liberty and freedom like his father if he wants to win the primaries.

Did you actually see his budget proposal?

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/senator-rand-paul’s-budget-plan-is-still-the-best

 

[Indy Vidual]

An even which I produced by the way *breaks own arm patting on the back*

If you get another chance, please put a camera on a tripod, and also make a recording with better sound.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

He cant look too weak to the war hawks. He must make sure he addresses that he will get shit done if there was for sure an imminent threat to the USA.

Or else its "I agree with Rand Paul, but not his foreign policy"... all over again.

 

[Aratus]

thah collinz is lookin' ferrr the rollin' bandwagon i see

 

[kathy88]

The game isn't waiting, it's active and has been for a couple of years now

You mean the secret ground game which doesn't involve grassroots, then.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Jeb Bush should not be a threat.

Neither should Romney, but look where we are now. The establishment loves these guys and will bankroll them with $100 million dollars into their campaign coffers and various Super PACs will also aid them.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

HA! Jeb should be taken very seriously, he has the means, the name, and the ability to do it. All he has to say is "I'm not my brother".

Not to mention being a Governor of a large state gives the air of credibility to most voters. Florida will also be one of the 5 early states. Jeb could be a force to reckon with in SC and especially Florida.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He cant look too weak to the war hawks. He must make sure he addresses that he will get shit done if there was for sure an imminent threat to the USA.

Or else its "I agree with Rand Paul, but not his foreign policy"... all over again.

Rand phrases it well when speaking to republican groups. A lot of people were under the impression that Ron was a pacifist and wouldn't protect the country. Rand defuses that right away by saying national defense is vitally important. You really have to walk voters through that obvious stuff otherwise they go off believing all kinds of crazy stuff about your candidate.

 

[Matt Collins]

If you get another chance, please put a camera on a tripod, and also make a recording with better sound.

Yeah, I didn't make that recording heh. I Just snagged it off YT

 

[Matt Collins]

You mean the secret ground game which doesn't involve grassroots, then.

No, I mean Ron Paul 2008, and 2012 will ultimately end up Rand 2016, if he should indeed decide to run.

 

[Uriah]

The game isn't waiting, it's active and has been for a couple of years now

I meant "in waiting" until Rand makes it official. BTW I am part of that active ground game in Iowa. I know we are active and we will continue doing work no matter what candidate is running.

 

[Uriah]

He cant look too weak to the war hawks. He must make sure he addresses that he will get shit done if there was for sure an imminent threat to the USA.

Or else its "I agree with Rand Paul, but not his foreign policy"... all over again.

Watch this:

 

[Shane Harris]

Actually it's very possible that Rand could do that. In fact the mere threat of Rand doing that could cause Romney serious heartburn and might even maybe be enough to change his behavior. Rand has an independent fundraising base seperate from the Party structure (us) and also the IAGOP is full of Paul supporters.

lala land. The idea that some remote and entirely unrealistic primary threat from Rand will make Romney be a better President is so beyond ridiculous. That has to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses to think Romney might not be so bad after all.

 

[Shane Harris]

Did you actually see his budget proposal?

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/senator-rand-paul’s-budget-plan-is-still-the-best

I did see it. Its great, but ever since he's been in general campaign mode he's been seeming more pragmatic in his approach. utilitarian in his whole "see what works and what doesn't" stuff that seems to suggest just making government more efficient rather than ending programs or phasing them out. On the Daily show he made his book sound like just a handful of odd regulations he wants to be more reasonable about, but made sure everyone knew he likes some regulations and didn't make much of a philosophical or moral stand against the entire idea.

 

[Shane Harris]

Not to mention being a Governor of a large state gives the air of credibility to most voters. Florida will also be one of the 5 early states. Jeb could be a force to reckon with in SC and especially Florida.

He's definitely capable of winning the primaries, but most republicans should be smart enough to realize that he would be toxic in the general. The country will NOT elect another Bush. They just won't. Who cares how many times he says he isn't his brother.

 

[Uriah]

He's definitely capable of winning the primaries, but most republicans should be smart enough to realize that he would be toxic in the general. The country will NOT elect another Bush. They just won't. Who cares how many times he says he isn't his brother.

I think enough Republicans would know how toxic his family name is to keep him from getting the nomination. With that said, his candidacy would force others to put in extra effort to pull out a victory.