Rand Paul leaves open 2016

I agree with Rand Paul about the Republican Party. I would like to see the party more competitive in ME, CT, WA and OR.

me too, but he can't use this as the reason for his policy suggestions or political philosophy. If he does it will look like he's trying to "compromise" or "water-down" the republican message. His message needs to be that his beliefs and philosophy are a pure and true message and that if we finally followed it we would in the process become more appealing and competitive.
 
What makes you think I like the RepubliCAN logo? I think all that word inside a word crap is cheesy. I am not against love, but his faith is not the cornerstone of the movement. I just think its poor advertising and misleading to people we are trying to convert. Confusing at the least. I am not just guessing either. I've had people say this to me. Design and image are very important.

Well, maybe. Though, I haven't really had anyone mention the logo to me yet, as a reason for not supporting. Some got the idea it was mostly just a youth based movement, and therefore something that wouldn't appeal to them--but most I talked to seemed to be getting that impression from the media. Not that it isn't partly true, Ron did visit a lot of universities and he does have a lot of youthful supporters, and that is a demographic he did well with. But the media did tend to focus one specific stereotype. This probably wouldn't have hurt in a hypothetical general election matchup with Obama, but not so great in an aging Republican primary....most often cited reason for not supporting Ron, in my experience, was social security. Some were even willing to listen on foriegn policy, but the moment SS came up, they stopped. And it wouldn't matter how I tried to explain his position on SS, phasing it out gradually, etc... They heard him say it was unconstitutional, and that's the only thing that mattered. Anyway, I do notice Rand taking a different stance on this issue, and talking about it differently, so that will probably help him.
 
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Liberty 2016!! DARN, never mind, some jerk won it

yaaay some liberty guy 2020!! oh wait, damn, we lost again

Keep waiting around though the liberty movement sure seems to be "waiting" for that "next" move all the time, almost as if the establishment knows it...oh WAIT, I bet they do!!

In my opinion, anyone who thinks Rand is a "Double agent" and is secretly working for us is in for a big surprise. One cannot lay down with dogs without getting up with fleas.

No one man, especially no POLITICIAN will save us.
 
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Chris Christie is going to be really really hard to beat. He is pretty much the perfect candidate, from a political perspective.
 
Chris Christie is going to be really really hard to beat. He is pretty much the perfect candidate, from a political perspective.

Yawn....

Rand Paul has a ground game in waiting, here in Iowa.
 
Chris Christie is going to be really really hard to beat. He is pretty much the perfect candidate, from a political perspective.

He's too abrasive and doesn't look presidential at all. I think Paul Ryan is far more likely than Christie.
 
Chris Christie is going to be really really hard to beat. He is pretty much the perfect candidate, from a political perspective.
I don't think that Jersey tough guy persona is going to work in the midwest or south. Our main competition will be Jeb Bush.
 
He's too abrasive and doesn't look presidential at all. I think Paul Ryan is far more likely than Christie.

Paul Ryan is a pathological liar and it keeps getting in his way. I find Christie to be a poor and uninspiring speaker. Ryan simply makes no sense, period.
 
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Liberty 2016!! DARN, never mind, some jerk won it

yaaay some liberty guy 2020!! oh wait, damn, we lost again

Keep waiting around though the liberty movement sure seems to be "waiting" for that "next" move all the time, almost as if the establishment knows it...oh WAIT, I bet they do!!

In my opinion, anyone who thinks Rand is a "Double agent" and is secretly working for us is in for a big surprise. One cannot lay down with dogs without getting up with fleas.

No one man, especially no POLITICIAN will save us.

I think most people here agree, but that doesn't mean that national campaigns aren't important. At the very least everyone here has to admit that national campaigns provide a stage for sparking a lot of energy and enthusiasm in the movement, as well as education. Evidence of this can be seen in the fact that without a national campaign for Ron Paul this website would not exist right now and the liberty movement would be a fraction of what it is.
 
Keep waiting around though the liberty movement sure seems to be "waiting" for that "next" move all the time, almost as if the establishment knows it...oh WAIT, I bet they do!!
Uhh... no one is waiting for anything, we are actually DOING it now. The movement has been growing and moving ahead making huge gains and successes over the last 4 years. Where have you been? :confused:

In my opinion, anyone who thinks Rand is a "Double agent" and is secretly working for us is in for a big surprise. One cannot lay down with dogs without getting up with fleas.
Rand isn't secretly working for us, he's openly working for us.
 
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