Rand Paul Just won CPAC

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

I'm celebrating this win with a bunch of freshly baked oatmeal cookies and glass of milk I might even make it a chocolate milk if I feel naughty later tonight hehe

 

[Christopholes11]

Congrats to Rand. Hopefully this is a good sign for the liberty movement, and a sign the Republican Party will distance itself from neo-cons moving forward.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He'll be a great asset in 2015/16.

Yes he will. Paul supporters that backed him were planning ahead.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Amash is a congressman which is less of a headache for the establishment. They have hundreds of those so can afford to let one who isn't completely bought off through. There's about 5 who aren't!

The senate is the big prize though and with 2 exceptions they're all bought off and it's no accident they're there.

You're digging a sinkhole of crazy now.

 

[itshappening]

No, i'm not. The senate is horrible. They're all bought off with 2 exceptions. Unless Cruz or any other newcomer can prove otherwise.

The House has about 5 people in it who won't vote for big spending and bailouts when push comes to shove. That's out of 435.

The whole Senate votes for spending and bailouts every week.

Total scam.

 

[itshappening]

Bearing in mind the House has about 5 actual principled people in it, they really could care less about Amash or Ron Paul. They have enough votes to crush them. Amash got thrown off the Budget committee for being rogue and is therefore safely isolated. The committee can safely ram through big spending budgets no problems now that's dealt with.

Do you know how hard it is to get to the House? Most of them are big insiders. They're not there to represent you, they're there for the lobbyists and their friends who fund their campaigns and their DC cocktail party lifestyle.

The Senate is even worse. They vote for spending, bailouts and war non stop. Only Rand opposes foreign aid to Israel and war resolutions against Iran. Mike Lee isn't completely bought off because he managed to engineer a win at a nominating convention in a state that is safe Republican but even he will succumb if he wants to progress into leadership. The rest are corrupt insiders.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
Quit thinking Ted is a selfless public servant with his Harvard degree's. He's not.

Tom Woods has a degree from Harvard.

 

[TaftFan]

Tom Woods has a degree from Harvard.

Edwin Vieira Jr. has 4 degrees from Harvard, lol.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

He has access to the vaults downtown. I'll leave it at that. Aside from that, his politics fall in line with Rand Paul. Not everyone is a villain who works for these companies.

Agree. Just like not everyone who works for the Federal Government (i.e. TSA, Homeland Security) is a villain and or a traitor to their country.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

seems theres lot of haters on media sites that say Rand won.. Seems a large portion of people will never learn and re-elect the same doucebag politicians that will fleece this country dry.

 

[itshappening]

Tom Woods has a degree from Harvard.

So why hasn't Ted wrote 10 books and become a celebrated author? Why did he spend 8 long years grinding it out as a solicitor general? Because his career path is planned and his wife is a rich banker so he could afford to. She'll get even richer now with a senator as a husband and will be able to attend some flashy parties with the president.

Makes me laugh that people think they do this for you or the 'conservative cause'. They don't.

 

[TaftFan]

So why hasn't Ted wrote 10 books and become a celebrated author? Why did he spend 8 long years grinding it out as a solicitor general? Because his career path is planned and his wife is a rich banker so he could afford to. She'll get even richer now with a senator as a husband and will be able to attend some flashy parties with the president.

Makes me laugh that people think they do this for you or the 'conservative cause'. They don't.

You are really a simpleton.

You see, not everybody follows the career path you want them to. Or anybody else for that matter.

Some might prefer being a book writer. Others, who get degree in LAW, might want to become as accomplished as a solicitor general of a state rather than an assistant district attorney of small town USA. And what do you know, it led Cruz, somebody passionate about politics, to become a U.S. Senator.

Some banking conspiracies are best left for Occupy Wall Street and youtube videos, and out of the liberty movement.

You see the world in conspiracy. Just as you said the Fair Tax is a conspiracy to create a VAT combined with an income tax.

Problem is, these are just imaginary situations bouncing around in your head.

 

[itshappening]

You are really a simpleton.

You see, not everybody follows the career path you want them to. Or anybody else for that matter.

Some might prefer being a book writer. Others, who get degree in LAW, might want to become as accomplished as a solicitor general of a state rather than an assistant district attorney of small town USA. And what do you know, it led Cruz, somebody passionate about politics, to become a U.S. Senator.

Some banking conspiracies are best left for Occupy Wall Street and youtube videos, and out of the liberty movement.

Someone like Ted Cruz who could make millions in the private sector just doesn't dedicate himself to become a solicitor general or work for the Bush campaign. He obviously plotted this for a while and used his appointed position as a stepping stone. Who appointed him? Gov. Perry who would have vetted him heavily before appointing him to that position like all the appointed positions in corrupt Texas politics. His wife is a rich banker with ties to Condi Rice so he could afford to do exactly what he's done rather than make his millions.

Now he's in the US Senate and sounds just like Rand Paul.

If you can't buy off Rand Paul send someone who sounds just like him and hype the crap out of him to steal his thunder.

If you dont think this is what they're doing - or could be doing - you're very naive.

 

[TaftFan]

Someone like Ted Cruz who could make millions in the private sector just doesn't dedicate himself to become a solicitor general or work for the Bush campaign. He obviously plotted this for a while and used his appointed position as a stepping stone. Who appointed him? Gov. Perry who would have vetted him heavily before appointing him to that position like all the appointed positions in corrupt Texas politics. His wife is a rich banker with ties to Condi Rice so he could afford to do exactly what he's done rather than make his millions.

Now he's in the US Senate and sounds just like Rand Paul.

If you can't buy off Rand Paul send someone who sounds just like him and hype the crap out of him to steal his thunder.

If you dont think this is what they're doing - or could be doing - you're very naive.

And Perry and Bush hate each other.

And Perry ran with Dewhurst.

Reality doesn't have to fit your narrative. But I can't stop you from dealing in hypothetical I guess.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

And you have this immense insider information based on...what now?

No doubt, there are insiders that push for their buddies. However, a lot of these people in the house are simply idiots that either a) say what the people want to hear b) don't truly understand the Constitution or their role or c) Are well intentioned but just go about it the wrong way by promoting damaging policies or ideas detrimental to freedom or the Constitution.

For example, there are plenty of democrats in the house that truly believe they are helping people by trying to put stricter restrictions on firearms. They really do believe they are helping people, even though we know they aren't for a number of reasons (at the same time they are undermining the constitution.) Most of the time, it's not purposeful.

Anyway, moral of the story is you need to get off your high horse and quit acting like you know how it really is in the house. You don't. I know a few elected officials. They are incredibly nice and well intentioned individuals, though we differ in our political viewpoints and approaches.

DC cocktail party my ass. Even if you're a scrub it's no easy job. Even crooked, evil Obama looks 20 years older after he took office.

Bearing in mind the House has about 5 actual principled people in it, they really could care less about Amash or Ron Paul. They have enough votes to crush them. Amash got thrown off the Budget committee for being rogue and is therefore safely isolated. The committee can safely ram through big spending budgets no problems now that's dealt with.

Do you know how hard it is to get to the House? Most of them are big insiders. They're not there to represent you, they're there for the lobbyists and their friends who fund their campaigns and their DC cocktail party lifestyle.

The Senate is even worse. They vote for spending, bailouts and war non stop. Only Rand opposes foreign aid to Israel and war resolutions against Iran. Mike Lee isn't completely bought off because he managed to engineer a win at a nominating convention in a state that is safe Republican but even he will succumb if he wants to progress into leadership. The rest are corrupt insiders.

 

[itshappening]

And Perry and Bush hate each other.

And Perry ran with Dewhurst.

Reality doesn't have to fit your narrative. But I can't stop you from dealing in hypothetical I guess.

That's all for show. They're buddies and share many of the same donors. He was his Lt. Gov for years and took over from him!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I've never heard a neocon speak with such knowledge of the Constitution as Cruz does. Understanding liberty, freedom, and our supreme law is not something you can fake. I hear it in his voice. Plus, I support Rand and Ron's judgment.

But then again, the bulk of people here were flaming me when Rand was playing politics and I told you all he was just being smart and setting himself up by delivering the message in a way people could understand. I was hearing things like Rand's not like his father, he sold out, etc etc. Looks like most of those people ate their words, and they'll eat their words with Ted Cruz as well.

Trust but verify. Cruz could have taken the Rubio path if he had wanted but didn't. I think that says alot about him. He could have joined the gang of 8 to craft highly objectionable legislation. He could have ignored Rand Paul.

 

[itshappening]

I've never heard a neocon speak with such knowledge of the Constitution as Cruz does. Understanding liberty, freedom, and our supreme law is not something you can fake. I hear it in his voice. Plus, I support Rand and Ron's judgment.

But then again, the bulk of people here were flaming me when Rand was playing politics and I told you all he was just being smart and setting himself up by delivering the message in a way people could understand. I was hearing things like Rand's not like his father, he sold out, etc etc. Looks like most of those people ate their words, and they'll eat their words with Ted Cruz as well.

Cruz sounds good but so did Bush in 99. People have short memories.

Bush even spent 8 years compiling the best conservative record as a governor in the nation but when he got to the White House it was a different, sorry story.

 

[eleganz]

Ted Cruz is a damn good wing-man. He dedicated a huge portion of his CPAC keynote to praising Rand.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Wrong. Not only has Rand wooed nearly everyone in the establishment, including the talking heads in the mainstream media, there's already word of Rubio's climbing star falling back to earth.

This is the reason we lost time and time again with Ron (not discrediting everything he did for this movement, however.) You seem to have the preconceived notion that liberty and holding to the Constitution is unpopular, regardless of who delivers the message, and that the messenger is bound to be discredited.

Wrong.

Ron made so many enemies because he had a different approach than Rand. Ron, like it or not, preached. He talked down as if he was the standard bearer telling you how it was supposed to be. Rand delivers the message in a way even morons can understand. It's the difference, and it's why Rand is already gaining far more popularity than Ron in such a short period of time.

It's called politics for a reason. Even the panel at CPAC reminded everyone that Rand was able to wow everyone on his Israel trip without giving an INCH on principle. That, my friends, is how it's done. He's got a formula, he's got Ted Cruz and other senators in on it, and he's going to ride it all the way to the White House.

Now, for another prediction all of you will probably "boo" and then agree with me on, again, once it happens; you're going to see at least one other liberty minded individual run along side Rand for the nomination, if only to further push his narrative, drop out, and throw his weight and support behind him to push the others out of the race.

Everything Rand's doing, the coalition's he's building, is carefully calculated and incredibly deliberate. So shame on all the naysayers, especially those that doubted Rand, myself, and others for standing with him when he was first elected.

It's fun to celebrate this victory.. but don't lose sight of the enemy.. Remember 2011 when FOX outright lied and manipulated the video?



They're going to spin this as a Rubio win..