Rand Paul Just Outed Himself

[angelatc]

No, it was Ron Paul's presentation of non-intervention that supposedly didn't win elections (from what Rand defenders were saying early on). If Rand is such a great public speaker, then he should do what Ron couldn't do and persuade his audience, not alter the message just to save face.

Some of us are ready to move past the education portion of the process.


Once people have made up their mind about something, they very seldom change it. Once people have made up their mind about a candidate, they very seldom change it. If Rand Paul loses the base at this juncture, then Cruz catapults into the lead.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

All I know is that dovetailing (talking like a pussy) on a big adversary will make him toast instantly in this GOP primary especially when he's one of the shorter peeps on stage. I'm seeing it as him balancing his position in his own words rather than letting the hawk pieces do it for him on their own terms as we saw last week numerous times.

No a real pussy is someone like Obama who talks tough but then doesn't want to do anything to back his rhetoric up. A real pussy is someone like Cruz who claims to advocate for fiscal responsibility and limited government but then calls for war when Israel isn't pleased.

You know who isn't a pussy? Someone who isn't afraid to stand their ground, argue their position, even when their critics continue to spew jingoist propaganda, and find a way to convince the masses about why their position is correct.

In this case, Rand is more of a pussy than his father.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, I'm not going to enroll in Youtube University.

Ron Paul isn't running for office, Rand Paul is. Part of changing history involves actually getting elected, but I'm certainly not shocked to see you here bashing Rand Paul.

I've been relatively soft on Rand Paul. If I ever bashed Rand Paul, you'd know it.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Some of us are ready to move past the education portion of the process.


Once people have made up their mind about something, they very seldom change it. Once people have made up their mind about a candidate, they very seldom change it. If Rand Paul loses the base at this juncture, then Cruz catapults into the lead.

You're not going to have successful change unless the voting population is educated. And if you're so worried about Cruz (and rightfully so), Rand needs to beat him, not join him.

 

[ZENemy]

He won"t stop. The day after the 2016 election begins the quest for re-election in 2020.

lol

Im out of reps!

 

[ZENemy]

This is exactly how we get co-opted, blur the lines between the new radicals and the old guard.

 

[Matt Collins]

And that is one of the most truthful, and therefore saddest, statements on this I've seen yet.

Let's just elect President Camacho and be done with it...

You can't change the weather on the battlefield. You have to roll with it and use it to your advantage.

 

[angelatc]

Well, he will have to play for the first four years so that he can get elected for another four. Because, you know, winning elections mean everything. His second presidency is when we will be able to see some real changes!

It is incredibly hard to oust an incumbent. Look at Barack Obama if you doubt that. His signature legislation was already very unpopular, the economy was still in the doldrums, and yet he got 4 more years.

I believe that If Rand Paul had 4 years to work on the economic reforms we need, the country would be in such good shape that the second win would be as big as Reagan's second term.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You know who isn't a pussy? Someone who isn't afraid to stand their ground, argue their position, even when their critics continue to spew jingoist propaganda, and find a way to convince the masses about why their position is correct.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is exactly how we get co-opted, blur the lines between the new radicals and the old guard.

I saw it coming as soon as it was over for Ron in 2012.

 

[angelatc]

Well, let's just say that as someone who lives about 20 miles from the location where about a quarter of their ICBMs are headed,
and as someone who knows that, thanks to non-proliferation treaties, they're all 1960's tech missiles that have an accuracy rated in miles,
and as someone who knows what a MIRV is,
I can't say this really improves my opinion of Rand Paul.

Hey apologists, do me a favor and just pick the letter of your pre-programmed illogical response.

A) If you don't like it, you can just move!
B) This is all just a ruse. He's a sleeper agent who is going to steer the 1/4 mile deep crater that used to be Washington into a new era of liberty.
C) Fuck you fisharmor, you're a hater anyway so we're not losing a vote if you get incinerated.

I can't help but notice you don't have a better plan.....

 

[Matt Collins]

You're not going to have successful change unless the voting population is educated.

Untrue...

here is why:

http://www.facltraining.org/facl2/info.htm

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

Isn't Rand's position here basically the libertarian position?

There are ways to sanction a nation without violating the NAP. Like simply refusing to do business with or trade with countries you don't agree with. The freezing of assets, high tariffs/import taxes, etc are the more aggressive form of sanctions that would violate NAP. The impression I got from the article Rand wrote initially was him saying that since we disagree with what Russia is doing, the best way to handle them would be simply to stop doing business with them and let them feel the pain of our absence. I didn't get the impression that he was calling for aggressive sanctions necessarily.

Unless i'm completely missing something with what he said?

 

[Matt Collins]

No a real pussy is someone like Obama who talks tough but then doesn't want to do anything to back his rhetoric up. A real pussy is someone like Cruz who claims to advocate for fiscal responsibility and limited government but then calls for war when Israel isn't pleased.

You know who isn't a pussy? Someone who isn't afraid to stand their ground, argue their position, even when their critics continue to spew jingoist propaganda, and find a way to convince the masses about why their position is correct.

In this case, Rand is more of a pussy than his father.

Besides being crude and rude, you are also positioning brute over brains.

 

[pcosmar]

that the second win would be as big as Reagan's second term.

???

that was a win?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Some of us are ready to move past the education portion of the process.

That's where the real work and the real change will take place. But sure, cut and run while we're just getting started....take the easy way out.

 

[Matt Collins]

Rhetoric that panders/supports the war mongers will cost lives. Rand's rhetoric could very well tip public opinion toward war.

No, not at all. Rand is simply attempting to neutralize the neocons. He isn't pushing for a war, and Rand would not support a war.

 

[angelatc]

You're not going to have successful change unless the voting population is educated. And if you're so worried about Cruz (and rightfully so), Rand needs to beat him, not join him.

The only win that counts is the win in the election. The electorate is NEVER educated - that's a delusion you need to abandon ASAP if you want to understand electoral politics.

 

[Matt Collins]

words words wordsI judge him by his actions (read: votes) - still very satisfied thus far.

Bingo!It doesn't matter what a politician says, only what they do.

 

[Matt Collins]

I love it, you have all the Neo-Cons saying he is too soft and an 'isolationist,' and then people on here stating he is being too much of a neo-con.

Because Rand is a brilliant rhetorician. He is able to speak in a way that makes people hear what they want to hear.