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Rand Paul Just Outed Himself
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i get it..
the "images" that exist inside your mind is more important than anything else. well i'm sorry rand doesn't present enough of a "pacifist image". it's true that tones are important and it can better the world, and that's why we need spiritual leaders. but i never saw rand as -the- spiritual leader, i see him as someone who has other very essential work to do, and i don't see why others can't.
people already see ron as -the- anti interventionist, in some cases some even see him as anti american, that's why you need someone to frame the other side of the debate so you have a di-pole situation, north and south, to frame the debate. rand is pushing up the "lower" limits of this debate, how can you ever say a single-pole approach to this task is workable? it's unfathomable what you are proposing.
the "images" that exist inside your mind is more important than anything else. well i'm sorry rand doesn't present enough of a "pacifist image". it's true that tones are important and it can better the world, and that's why we need spiritual leaders. but i never saw rand as -the- spiritual leader, i see him as someone who has other very essential work to do, and i don't see why others can't.
people already see ron as -the- anti interventionist, in some cases some even see him as anti american, that's why you need someone to frame the other side of the debate so you have a di-pole situation, north and south, to frame the debate. rand is pushing up the "lower" limits of this debate, how can you ever say a single-pole approach to this task is workable? it's unfathomable what you are proposing.
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That's my question as well.
Political suits constantly want us to refer to them as "leaders"...well, lead, then, God damn it.
Find a way out of this mess that you've created.
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I thought part of that "essential work" was to continue to preach sound foreign policy of the Ron Paul brand while putting the rhetoric into action. It's the primary issue that sets us apart from every other GOP candidate IMO.
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Ron paul said...and I quote..."It's not like I'm just trying to win and get elected. I'm trying to change the course of history."
It's at the end of this video. He's very clear. Now, I know that you don't like to watch videos but do consider it a multi-purpose vid. Because it's not like everyone went back to sleep when just trying to hurry up and get elected became the important thing todo again once the statesman retired. Oh, no. Hardly. You'll find (in time) that there are far, far more people who remain content to strive to change the course of history than those who would strive to just hurry up and get elected while nothing relevant changes and they profit and gain power by going along with the same as it ever was.
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You think Rand Paul created this mess?
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So much for the "remnant"
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A generalization:
"Political suits".
This is my point:
The political class demands that we call them "leaders".
The political class has stirred this pot creating the chain of events now unfolding.
The political class then retreats into beard mumbling or sabre rattling useless rhetoric when the whole stinking mess blows up in their faces and offers nothing new or old or innovative to come up with a decent solution.
That being the very definition of "leadership".
Therefore, the political class does not get to wear the "leader" title.
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But he can take the side of the Neo-Nazis that overthrew the elected government and be accepted.
just how is it that this rogue government that took over after a violent Coup is more legitimate than the Election and elected officials of Crimea?
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Yeah, I'm not going to enroll in Youtube University.
Ron Paul isn't running for office, Rand Paul is. Part of changing history involves actually getting elected, but I'm certainly not shocked to see you here bashing Rand Paul.
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No, it was Ron Paul's presentation of non-intervention that supposedly didn't win elections (from what Rand defenders were saying early on). If Rand is such a great public speaker, then he should do what Ron couldn't do and persuade his audience, not alter the message just to save face.
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I hope Rand is just playing the game, I doubt he can fool the elites.
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No,, but he does open his mouth and stuff his foot in it.. or he really does believe the stupid things he says.
He may be fine for Kentucky.. but I have no reason to "support" him.
And I had hope that he would be someone I could support.
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If he is, what will stop him from "playing" once elected?
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What do you want him to do AF? If you have not learned by now that facts do absolutely nothing to change people's minds then I don't know what to tell you.
We saw what happened to Ron Paul when he advocated the policy we agree with. Is that really what we want again?
Because what we really want - public opinion to sway in our direction - isn't going to happen between now and 2016.
And I'm not saying he's a shoe-in once he gets elected, but as far as I can tel, right now he's our only chance. It might require a leap of faith for some of us. But that's better than shuffling slowly off the cliff mumbling about how things ought to be.
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Please point out someone getting elected on lies/deception (I know some people call this politics but I call it like I see it) and then providing the truth for freedom after being elected. Did JFK act like a War Monger and then bust out all kinds of liberty that ended in him getting shot? I'm not being nasty, I'm asking a serious question.
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Well, he will have to play for the first four years so that he can get elected for another four. Because, you know, winning elections mean everything. His second presidency is when we will be able to see some real changes!
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He won"t stop. The day after the 2016 election begins the quest for re-election in 2020.
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