Rand Paul campaign seeking LP donors, recruiting activists, claiming to be endorsed by LP

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Here's the scoop from Independent Political Report.com:

The Rand Paul campaign is making a concerted effort to recruit state Libertarian Party officers and members to their campaign, and in some cases to share their mailing list or voter contacts with the Republican Senator’s campaign for President.

George Phillies, Chair of LP-Massachusetts, reports that “Several state chairs have been contacted by Senator Paul supporters asking for the use of our mailing lists. ” in the July 2015 Open Thread. The Paul campaign in Rhode Island attempted to acquire LP-RI’s list of college affiliate members, and in Georgia the immediate Past Chair of LP-GA Doug Craig was targeted for recruitment by somebody identifying themselves as a national deputy campaign manager. Such efforts have been the object of discussion on the LP State Chairs e-mail list, with all those speaking up confirming that they rejected the solicitations.

That Rand Paul would target Libertarian Party members is not necessarily surprising, nor that they’ve been rebuffed. But the Paul campaign is now taking that tactic a step further.

From Joe Enroughty, a Libertarian activist and LPVA 3rd District Vice-Chair in Richmond, VA:

The Rand Paul campaign appears to be so desperate that they have people calling and stating that he has been endorsed by The Libertarian Party. I received a call tonight from a Rand Paul campaign worker named “Cynthia.” I told Cynthia that I was a member of the LP and that I was most likely planning to vote for the LP Presidential Candidate. But at no time was I planning to vote for a Republican, especially one named Rand Paul. She then told me that the LP had issued a statement asking all of its members to vote for Rand in state primaries where they were able to do so. She also told me that the Paul campaign had been given LP donor lists by the LP to use for his campaign. She wanted me to make a donation either over the phone or online at Rand’s web site.

Another Virginia Libertarian, who requested anonymity due to the nature of his employment, says he received a call from a pro-Rand super PAC Concerned American Voters. The caller claimed that Gary Johnson had endorsed Rand Paul, pointing to an inaccurate headline published by a pro-Rand website. In that interview, Johnson actually stated he plans to vote for the Libertarian nominee and dismissed Rand for “obviously running as a Republican.” The 2012 Libertarian nominee and likely 2016 candidate has been repeatedly critical of what he sees as Rand Paul’s anti-libertarian positions on foreign policy, social issues, and immigration.

C.A.V. also claimed that LNC Chair Nicholas Sarwark had publicly rebuked pro-marriage-equality Libertarians for criticizing Rand, in reference to the events surrounding a controversial Outright Libertarians meme perceived by some as criticizing both Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Sarwark has previously written an open letter condemning Rand Paul for calling for the U.S. to enter the Iraq/Syria civil war, and (in contrast to Sen. Paul) celebrated the Obergefell ruling as vindicating a long-held Libertarian Party position.

Neither the national Libertarian Party nor any state Libertarian Party has endorsed Rand Paul, encouraged Libertarians to vote for or volunteer for Rand Paul, or authorized the Rand Paul campaign to contact LP donors seeking contributions. The Paul campaign and C.A.V. did not respond to requests for comment.
 
Very important to know that they quoted this George Phillies in their article, who then went on to comment in the very same article's comment section.

George Phillies
August 3, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Rand Paul has said “Libertarian” is an albatross around his neck, but he is a conservative. Rand Paul is a Republican warmonger who wants more war in Syria, an antiabortionist-daughter-murderer*, a homophobic bigot opponent of gay marriage, et tedious cetera.

*Tired of having Republican antibortionists call prochoice folks “baby-killers”? Give the conservative Christian Fascists a dose of their own medicine. They’re daughter-murderers, if not their own then someone else’s.

It may seem nice to be the only special child in the room but at the end of the day, nobody will want to play with you.
 
"Once again, the LP is its own worst enemy. Frankly, the LP is worthless for anything other than a protest vote."

But they're okay when they have a list and the Paul campaign tries to peddle a phony endorsement from them? I don't get it.
 
"Once again, the LP is its own worst enemy. Frankly, the LP is worthless for anything other than a protest vote."

But they're okay when they have a list and the Paul campaign tries to peddle a phony endorsement from them? I don't get it.
And donors. Don't forget to send money, LP!
 
Just Saber attempting to gather data. No worries though....

Paul is the only one of the party’s candidates trying to assemble a full-fledged presidential campaign who has refused to sign a so-called data agreement with the RNC. This is a standard arrangement in both parties, designed to permit candidates to benefit from one of few durable resources in American politics: a national party’s voter database. In exchange for access to it, candidates pledge that after the election they will enrich the database by returning intelligence gathered on the electorate through their interactions with individual voters.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-t-rand-paul-making-a-data-deal-with-the-gop-

:rolleyes:
 
Considering how many of them are on here pushing Trump, LP would do better selling the Trump campaign their lists.
 
"Paul is the only one of the party’s candidates trying to assemble a full-fledged presidential campaign who has refused to sign a so-called data agreement with the RNC. "

Ha! Ha! Ha! They only way the Paul campaign going to give up their data bases is for a price, national party or no national party.

This could become a problem for Rand if the RNC or one of his opponents points out the fact the LP isn't exactly anti-abortion.
 
Very important to know that they quoted this George Phillies in their article, who then went on to comment in the very same article's comment section.



It may seem nice to be the only special child in the room but at the end of the day, nobody will want to play with you.

Phillies hates the Pauls. He ran for the LP nod in 2008 and was the only one I can recall who did not promise to endorse RP if he won the Republican nomination.
 
So essentially a bunch of butt-hurt pro-choice people in the LP don't like Rand Paul? Color me unimpressed and count this nonsense as one more reason why I don't plan on supporting the LP's candidates again, which I've ended up doing over the past 4 presidential elections as a protest. If I ever vote 3rd party, I will be voting Constitution Party, end of story.
 
"Once again, the LP is its own worst enemy. Frankly, the LP is worthless for anything other than a protest vote."

But they're okay when they have a list and the Paul campaign tries to peddle a phony endorsement from them? I don't get it.
That may be Rand's view, but not mine.
 
Well Rand's view could put his campaign in a bind. If you going to be Mr. anti-abortion, saying, perhaps falsely, you got the endorsement of a pro-abortion party is not very smart. What if someone brings this up during Thursday's debate? Does Rand have an answer for it?

The question is did Rand authorize this or someone people go rogue? One thing is for sure, you can't blame this on the grassroots.
 
First off this "news" source is questionable, secondly this does not sound like anything the campaign would do... it makes zero sense. They have all the lists they need, and the LP list really isn't any good to them anyway.
 
"An alternative question is if they are even legit claims or complete bullshit or exaggerations."

The LP state chairmen who are being recruited seem to think it's legit.
 
As much as it pains me to say it, the LP is a total joke (and I've been a member for years). Had Ron Paul won the nomination in 2008 or 2012, I have no doubt that they would have ran someone against him. Amazing how the party that ran that oh so pure "libertarian" Bob Barr and even was considering Jesse Ventura is somehow oh so concerned with purity now (as if Gary Johnson passes the purity test). Amazing. At the end of the day, despite being better on almost all the issues, the LP is a political party first and foremost.
 
How much payoff can Rand really get from LP lists that he doesn't already have from his dad's?
 
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