Rand Paul angles to become Trump's emissary to Iran

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07/17/2019

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[SUP]Sen. Rand Paul has been among the most prominent voices warning against military intervention.[/SUP]


Over a round of golf this past weekend, Sen. Rand Paul asked President Donald Trump’s blessing for a sensitive diplomatic mission.

Paul proposed sitting down with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif to extend a fresh olive branch on the president’s behalf, according to four U.S. officials. The aim: to reduce tensions between the two countries. Trump signed off on the idea.

With Zarif in New York City this week for U.N. meetings and private sitdowns with journalists and think-tank experts, the prospect of the dovish Kentucky senator serving as the administration’s chief diplomatic emissary has rankled many administration officials, who are expressing concern that Paul’s intervention threatens to scuttle the president’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Tehran.

It is unclear whether the senator will meet with Zarif. He and his office declined multiple requests for comment. But the president’s willingness to tap Paul as the go-between with a top Iranian official is a demonstration both of his unorthodox approach to foreign affairs and his continuing desire, even as his aides threaten to squeeze Iran until it capitulates to U.S. demands, to entice the Islamic Republic’s leaders to the negotiating table.

Trump has been attempting to start negotiations with Iran for months, a campaign that has included letters to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, an attempt to use Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as an emissary to Tehran, and public comments expressing his desire to talk. Some Iranian officials have said that they are open to negotiations, but only after the administration removes sanctions. Khamenei, however, has likened talking with the U.S. to drinking “poison.”

Paul, along with Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.), played a round of golf with the president on Saturday at his club in Sterling, Va.

The libertarian-leaning Paul has long been wary of U.S. foreign intervention, and he’s clashed with Trump administration officials over the possibility of a military conflict with Iran.

Paul has been among the most prominent voices warning against military intervention. When Trump last month called off retaliatory military strikes against Iran after an Iranian military official downed a U.S. drone over international waters, Paul went on the president’s favorite television network to offer unqualified praise. "It really takes a statesman to show restraint amidst a chorus of voices for war," Paul told Fox News’ Martha MacCallum.

He also took a jab at the administration’s policy, arguing that Iranians view the punishing sanctions imposed by the Trump administration as “an act of war.”

Paul has long been at odds with the team of hawks serving at the top echelons of the Trump administration, including National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. At the outset of the administration, he led a public campaign against the administration’s current special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams, when his name was floated

Earlier this year, Paul pressed Pompeo on whether the administration believes it has the authority to battle the Iranian regime under a 2001 law that allowed the U.S. to pursue the fight against al Qaeda and affiliated terrorist groups in Afghanistan and beyond.

When Pompeo tried to sidestep the question, Paul warned the administration not to pursue such a conflict, at least not without Congress’ imprimatur.

“You do not have the permission of Congress to go to war with Iran,” Paul told Pompeo during the April hearing on Capitol Hill. “Only Congress can declare war.”

The move smacks of desperation, said Mark Dubowitz, head of the hawkish Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which has pushed for a hard line on Iran.

"It’s a fine idea to make it clear you’re interested in negotiating and a diplomatic path, but you have to be selective and circumspect," Dubowitz said. "Right now, Trump has tapped everybody and their mother to be an emissary."

"The one thing that these guys don’t understand is the more desperate they look for a deal the more the Iranian regime will play hard to get," he added. "Then when it comes to the table it will be even more inflexible in its negotiating position. And the final result will end up looking like Obama 2.0."

When told that the president had blessed an outsider to reach out to Zarif, a Trump administration official familiar with Iran issues laughed and quipped: "He's given up on all of us!"
 
Keeping in view the golden 'follow the money' rule, be careful what you wish for ; if this materializes, he could end up being emissary of notorious Iran war championing neocon Adelson who is top donor of GOP-MAGA/Neocon-Lite wing.
MAGA is supposed to be more gutsy than Rand and even he escalated purposeless and wasteful war in Afghanistan, recently bombed Syria ( reportedly on Ivanka's advice) and has currently put up harsh sanctions and military buildup around Iran that carries risk of accidental war spark even if neocons still feel being deterred by America's wars fatigue. Does Rand have what it takes to to stand up to billionaire Adelson or even Ivanka?

Assuming ,ofcourse , that above report is non-fakenews.



True neoconservatives:

- Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
- Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
- Sen. Kelly Ayotte
- Gary Bauer
- Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
- Brad Blakeman
- John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
.....

May 14, 2018
Mega-donor Adelson, with access and influence, scores two pro- Israel victories
These are heady days for casino billionaire and megadonor Sheldon Adelson.
A passionate and hawkish advocate for Israel with close ties to its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Adelson was in Jerusalem today for a celebration of the U.S. embassy’s relocation to that city, a longstanding priority for the mogul. Similarly, Adelson had pushed hard for President Donald Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal, which happened last week.
And the day after that announcement, Adelson quietly slipped into the White House for a private meeting with Trump and three top administration officials: Vice President Mike Pence, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and an Adelson favorite, National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to two conservative sources familiar with the previously unreported private event.


Flashback
MAGA's Top Donor: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran


American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.

By Maya Shwayder, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT

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NEW YORK – During a panel at Yeshiva University on Tuesday evening, Sheldon Adelson, noted businessman and owner of the newspaper Israel Hayom, suggested that the US should use nuclear weapons on Iran to impose its demands from a position of strength.

Asked by moderator Rabbi Shmuley Boteach whether the US should negotiate with Iran if it were to cease its uranium enrichment program, Adelson retorted, “What are we going to negotiate about?”

Adelson then imagined what might happen if an American official were to call up an Iranian official, say “watch this,” and subsequently drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Iranian desert.

"Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development. You want to be peaceful? Just reverse it all, and we will guarantee you that you can have a nuclear power plant for electricity purposes, energy purposes’," Adelson said.

“So a tremendous demonstration of American strength?” Boteach clarified. “So that they would get the message?”

“It’s the only thing they understand,” Adelson said.


jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...on-Iran-329641



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Sheldon Adelson hates Rand Paul, but is open to Rubio/Cruz
 
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One take is that this was leaked to discredit the whole initiative. This is politically courageous of Rand Paul. I don't see much upside for him in doing this from a selfish political perspective. A true statesman-like gesture. The neocons will smear him mercilessly in primaries.

 
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The Defense for Democracies, another neocon front. Brian will have to add it to the long list.
 
This is great, if true. For one, if Rand comes back with a great deal, it will give him something to talk about in 2024.
Does not mean much for my personal life, but the better part has already started, watching tools like enhanced_deficit flail, wail, and gnash his teeth trying to demonize Rand for diplomacy.

I just need to keep myself from drowning in the haters' tears.
 
That's great News. Trump should listen to Rand on Foreign Policy!
 
[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] -- Add the Defense of Democracies to the neocon hitlist. Another organization.
 
This is awesome. There are but a few people from D.C. that you could have any level of trust to actually represent our people/country/culture, and of course Rand is one of the few. Rand being a near antithesis to Bolton may signal the end of the latter.
 
I stand with Rand!


The Rand haters don't dare comment in this thread, it proves his friendship with Trump is a wise move.
 
Oil Prices Plunge After Trump Sends Rand Paul To Ease Tensions With Iran

...........
Like his father Ron Paul, the junior Paul has over the past years been outspoken in favor of drawing down US troops world-wide and ending "regime change wars". He's been a consistent critic since the start of his political career on everything from Afghan policy to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, to US covert efforts to overthrow Assad.

For now, it seems the market is viewing this positively as oil prices are re-plunging on the apparent de-escalation (though this will likely frustrate OPEC).

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Also likely frustrated is the 'deep state', no doubt already riled over Trump's choice to represent the White House at the table with Zarif. As Politico reported further:

Paul has long been at odds with the team of hawks serving at the top echelons of the Trump administration, including National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
At the outset of the administration, he led a public campaign against the administration’s current special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams, when his name was floated as a candidate for deputy secretary of state — and helped to scuttle his candidacy by bashing his hawkish views in an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, according to a source directly familiar with the events.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-17/sen-rand-paul-represent-trump-admin-emissary-iran

 
Oil prices have been falling from recent highs because US production in the Gulf of Mexico is coming back on line after nearly all of it was shut down due to the recent hurricane that passed through.
 
Trump sending Rand Paul to Iran against wishes of cabinet

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/rand-paul-iran-talks-donald-trump-1418075

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/rand-paul-iran-talks-donald-trump-1418075

Rand Paul angles to become Trump's emissary to Iran

The senator pitched the idea during a recent round of golf with the president

Over a round of golf this past weekend, Sen. Rand Paul asked President Donald Trump’s blessing for a sensitive diplomatic mission.

Paul proposed sitting down with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif to extend a fresh olive branch on the president’s behalf, according to four U.S. officials. The aim: to reduce tensions between the two countries. Trump signed off on the idea.

With Zarif in New York City this week for U.N. meetings and private sitdowns with journalists and think-tank experts, the prospect of the dovish Kentucky senator serving as the administration’s chief diplomatic emissary has rankled many administration officials, who are expressing concern that Paul’s intervention threatens to scuttle the president’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Tehran.

It is unclear whether the senator will meet with Zarif. He and his office declined multiple requests for comment. But the president’s willingness to tap Paul as the go-between with a top Iranian official is a demonstration both of his unorthodox approach to foreign affairs and his continuing desire, even as his aides threaten to squeeze Iran until it capitulates to U.S. demands, to entice the Islamic Republic’s leaders to the negotiating table.

Trump has been attempting to start negotiations with Iran for months, a campaign that has included letters to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, an attempt to use Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as an emissary to Tehran, and public comments expressing his desire to talk. Some Iranian officials have said that they are open to negotiations, but only after the administration removes sanctions. Khamenei, however, has likened talking with the U.S. to drinking “poison.”

Paul, along with Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.), played a round of golf with the president on Saturday at his club in Sterling, Va.

The libertarian-leaning Paul has long been wary of U.S. foreign intervention, and he’s clashed with Trump administration officials over the possibility of a military conflict with Iran. When Trump last month called off retaliatory military strikes against Iran after an Iranian military official downed a U.S. drone over international waters, Paul went on the president’s favorite television network to offer unqualified praise. "It really takes a statesman to show restraint amidst a chorus of voices for war," Paul told Fox News’ Martha MacCallum.

He also criticized the administration’s policy, arguing that Iranians view the punishing sanctions imposed by the Trump administration as “an act of war.”

Paul has long been at odds with the team of hawks serving at the top echelons of the Trump administration, including National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. At the outset of the administration, he led a public campaign against the administration’s current special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams, when his name was floated as a candidate for deputy secretary of state — and helped to scuttle his candidacy by bashing his hawkish views in an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, according to a source directly familiar with the events.

Earlier this year, Paul pressed Pompeo on whether the administration believes it has the authority to battle the Iranian regime under a 2001 law that allowed the U.S. to pursue the fight against al Qaeda and affiliated terrorist groups in Afghanistan and beyond.

When Pompeo tried to sidestep the question, Paul warned the administration not to pursue such a conflict, at least not without Congress’ imprimatur.

“You do not have the permission of Congress to go to war with Iran,” Paul told Pompeo during the April hearing on Capitol Hill. “Only Congress can declare war.”

The move smacks of desperation, said Mark Dubowitz, head of the hawkish Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which has pushed for a hard line on Iran.

"It’s a fine idea to make it clear you’re interested in negotiating and a diplomatic path, but you have to be selective and circumspect," Dubowitz said. "Right now, Trump has tapped everybody and their mother to be an emissary."

"The one thing that these guys don’t understand is the more desperate they look for a deal the more the Iranian regime will play hard to get," he added. "Then when it comes to the table it will be even more inflexible in its negotiating position. And the final result will end up looking like Obama 2.0."


When told that the president had blessed an outsider to reach out to Zarif, a Trump administration official familiar with Iran issues laughed and quipped: "He's given up on all of us!"

Iranian officials did not reply to requests for comment.:pray:
 
Gotta love that Randal proposed this mission while playing golf with Sen. Graham as well. I bet that added a few strokes to Lindsays game.
 
Discussion from other thread... probably could have been put in General Politics but not sure how strict the mods are... this is pretty big news imo:

enhanced_deficit
Keeping in view the golden 'follow the money' rule, be careful what you wish for ; if this materializes, he could end up being emissary of notorious Iran war championing neocon Adelson who is top donor of GOP-MAGA/Neocon-Lite wing.
MAGA is supposed to be more gutsy than Rand and even he escalated purposeless and wasteful war in Afghanistan, recently bombed Syria ( reportedly on Ivanka's advice) and has currently put up harsh sanctions and military buildup around Iran that carries risk of accidental war spark even if neocons still feel being deterred by America's wars fatigue. Does Rand have what it takes to to stand up to billionaire Adelson or even Ivanka?

Assuming ,ofcourse , that above report is non-fakenews.



True neoconservatives:

- Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
- Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
- Sen. Kelly Ayotte
- Gary Bauer
- Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
- Brad Blakeman
- John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
.....

May 14, 2018
Mega-donor Adelson, with access and influence, scores two pro- Israel victories
These are heady days for casino billionaire and megadonor Sheldon Adelson.
A passionate and hawkish advocate for Israel with close ties to its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Adelson was in Jerusalem today for a celebration of the U.S. embassy’s relocation to that city, a longstanding priority for the mogul. Similarly, Adelson had pushed hard for President Donald Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal, which happened last week.
And the day after that announcement, Adelson quietly slipped into the White House for a private meeting with Trump and three top administration officials: Vice President Mike Pence, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and an Adelson favorite, National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to two conservative sources familiar with the previously unreported private event.


Flashback
MAGA's Top Donor: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran

American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.

By Maya Shwayder, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT

https://images.jpost.com/image/uploa...Control/229168

NEW YORK – During a panel at Yeshiva University on Tuesday evening, Sheldon Adelson, noted businessman and owner of the newspaper Israel Hayom, suggested that the US should use nuclear weapons on Iran to impose its demands from a position of strength.

Asked by moderator Rabbi Shmuley Boteach whether the US should negotiate with Iran if it were to cease its uranium enrichment program, Adelson retorted, “What are we going to negotiate about?”

Adelson then imagined what might happen if an American official were to call up an Iranian official, say “watch this,” and subsequently drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Iranian desert.

"Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development. You want to be peaceful? Just reverse it all, and we will guarantee you that you can have a nuclear power plant for electricity purposes, energy purposes’," Adelson said.

“So a tremendous demonstration of American strength?” Boteach clarified. “So that they would get the message?”

“It’s the only thing they understand,” Adelson said.


jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...on-Iran-329641



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Sheldon Adelson hates Rand Paul, but is open to Rubio/Cruz
07-17-2019, 12:02 PMLibertea Party
One take is that this was leaked to discredit the whole initiative. This is politically courageous of Rand Paul. I don't see much upside for him in doing this from a selfish political perspective. A true statesman-like gesture. The neocons will smear him mercilessly in primaries.


Daniel DePetris [MENTION=432]Dan[/MENTION]DePetris
It very well may. But Trump, despite broadcasting himself as a tough guy willing to bash heads, is a weeny when Bolton enters the picture. He could fire him today if he wanted. But instead he grovels and complains behind Bolton’s back while doing nothing to remove the problem. https://twitter.com/richardmnephew/status/1151528710027304961

Richard Nephew [MENTION=39928]richardM[/MENTION]Nephew
See, the thing about secret back channels is that they're more effective if they are...you know...secret. This fairly transparent attempt by Bolton's wing of the government to undermine this initiative by leaking it -- assuming it is real -- ought to upset some folks in the WW. https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1151527148089479169

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07-17-2019, 12:04 PMWarlord
The Defense for Democracies, another neocon front. Brian will have to add it to the long list.
07-17-2019, 01:18 PMUWDude
This is great, if true. For one, if Rand comes back with a great deal, it will give him something to talk about in 2024.
Does not mean much for my personal life, but the better part has already started, watching tools like enhanced_deficit flail, wail, and gnash his teeth trying to demonize Rand for diplomacy.

I just need to keep myself from drowning in the haters' tears.
07-17-2019, 01:30 PMSammy
That's great News. Trump should listen to Rand on Foreign Policy!
07-17-2019, 02:27 PMWarlord [MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] -- Add the Defense of Democracies to the neocon hitlist. Another organization.
07-17-2019, 03:00 PMChamp
This is awesome. There are but a few people from D.C. that you could have any level of trust to actually represent our people/country/culture, and of course Rand is one of the few. Rand being a near antithesis to Bolton may signal the end of the latter.
07-17-2019, 03:47 PMvita3
Hope it happens.
07-17-2019, 07:00 PMSwordsmyth
I stand with Rand!


The Rand haters don't dare comment in this thread, it proves his friendship with Trump is a wise move.
07-17-2019, 07:07 PMRonZeplin
Oil Prices Plunge After Trump Sends Rand Paul To Ease Tensions With Iran

...........
Like his father Ron Paul, the junior Paul has over the past years been outspoken in favor of drawing down US troops world-wide and ending "regime change wars". He's been a consistent critic since the start of his political career on everything from Afghan policy to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, to US covert efforts to overthrow Assad.

For now, it seems the market is viewing this positively as oil prices are re-plunging on the apparent de-escalation (though this will likely frustrate OPEC).

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...7_10-29-05.jpg

Also likely frustrated is the 'deep state', no doubt already riled over Trump's choice to represent the White House at the table with Zarif. As Politico reported further:

Paul has long been at odds with the team of hawks serving at the top echelons of the Trump administration, including National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. At the outset of the administration, he led a public campaign against the administration’s current special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams, when his name was floated as a candidate for deputy secretary of state — and helped to scuttle his candidacy by bashing his hawkish views in an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, according to a source directly familiar with the events.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-emissary-iran
07-17-2019, 07:53 PMZippyjuan
Oil prices have been falling from recent highs because US production in the Gulf of Mexico is coming back on line after nearly all of it was shut down due to the recent hurricane that passed through.
 
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