Rand Paul and Ted Cruz Attended the Koch 2014 Strategy Meeting

Blanket dismissal of left-wing activists is a mistake. Things like Ted Rall's recent column explaining how Rand Paul is the highest-profile and most promising pro-privacy and anti-imperialism candidate out there are priceless, and places like HuffPo will try to torpedo this advantage with implications that Rand is a Koch puppet. Even if it is obvious that finding out what those clowns are up to could be advantageous to their opposition.

This notion that we can't get peace and anti-corporatist support from 'both sides of the aisle', or that this support is worthless to us, is thoroughly disproven poppycock. If we can't get over this 'Red Team/Blue Team' divide and conquer horsehockey, then there truly is no hope for this nation.
The left wouldn't vote for Ron, they sure ain't going to vote for Rand.

Don't believe me? Ask how many liberty Republicans would bother voting for Dennis Kucinich once they knew his record.

Oh, and RP2012 did internal polling to see if they could get some lefties out to the caucuses / polls, it wasn't possible.
 
The left wouldn't vote for Ron, they sure ain't going to vote for Rand.

Don't believe me? Ask how many liberty Republicans would bother voting for Dennis Kucinich once they knew his record.

Oh, and RP2012 did internal polling to see if they could get some lefties out to the caucuses / polls, it wasn't possible.

Hillary Clinton or someone like that will win the leftists.
 
I do look at the big picture, but I don't view the Koch Brothers as an enemy like liberals/progressives/socialists do.

The Koch Brothers help to continue the phony right. Soro's helps the phony left.
 
huh wut? Details please?


And you do realize that EVERY election is ultimately decided by the least informed voters, right?


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Representation of the individual most certainly is a personal agenda. And more people are beginning to take it personal. This is not fringe in any way...

As I said. The people are smartening up, Mr. Collins. The people.
 
There is a phony two party system now, whether you want to admit to it not, is up to you. It was hijacked long ago.

We got Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash elected with the Republican Party. Political parties are just a vehicle to get elected.
 
What's all of this stuff?

Freedom Partners, formally known as the "Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce" (and previously the "Association for American Innovation"), is a 501(c)(6) "business league" group that has been described as "the Koch brothers secret bank." According to Politico, "It will be run by former top AFP strategist Alan Cobb and will wage a behind-the-scenes push in state capitols for reforms consistent with the brothers’ small-government, free-enterprise philosophy, including possibly curbing union power and abolishing income taxes."

The listed address for the Association for American Innovation was 2200 Wilson Blvd Ste 102-533 Arlington, VA 22201, which is a UPS Store mail-drop.

501(c)(6) "Business League" Status

Forming the organization as a 501(c)(6) group for purposes of the tax code sets it apart from many of the other notorious and controversial "dark money" groups that were active in the 2010 and 2012 elections. These groups, such as Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, are organized as 501(c)(4) "social welfare" nonprofits.

IRS Section 501(c)(6) is reserved for business leagues, chambers of commerce, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or trade associations like the pharmaceutical lobby PhRMA or the American Bar Association. But, unlike those groups, there is little evidence the Association exists to advance the interests of any particular trade or industry.

Marc Owens, former director of the IRS tax exempt division, told The Huffington Post, "It's possible that the Kochs think there's less audit exposure with a (c)(6)." But he added, "It's not clear to me what line of business is furthered by an innovation group. That could make it difficult to establish entitlement to (c)(6) status with the IRS."

Vague, Ambiguous IRS Rules and Controversy over IRS Targeting of Conservative 501(c)(4) Groups

Much of the law governing both 501(c)(6) and 501(c)(4) groups is the same: political intervention cannot be their primary purpose. But the IRS rules for what constitutes political intervention are relatively ambiguous and rarely enforced. And this provides an opening for the Kochs and their allies to continue influencing elections from the shadows.

Although the IRS rules are ambiguous for both (c)(4) and (c)(6) groups, states like California, Montana, and New Yorkhave attempted to enforce various state laws. However, another advantage to organizing the Association for American Innovation as a (c)(6): unlike (c)(4)s, they largely will not fall under the charitable trust jurisdiction of state attorneys general.

Scrutiny of (c)(4) groups is likely to heat up from several angles, making a (c)(6) group more attractive. Attorney Greg Colvin, an expert in nonprofit law, told the Center for Media and Democracy, "A (c)(6) is exactly where you'd expect captains of industry to go for political leverage out of the public view, especially if the notorious 501(c)(4) organizations are about to be more heavily scrutinized and regulated by the IRS."

This is especially true after the controversy surrounding the IRS targeting of tea party groups caused Senate Democrats to focus on the vague 501(c)(4) tax laws, which are seen to have contributed to this scandal. As The Huffington Post reported, Senator Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said in his opening statement to a Senate Finance Committee hearing on IRS targeting of conservative groups, "Once the smoke of the current controversy clears, we need to examine the root of this issue and reform the nation’s vague 501(c)(4) tax laws." He elaborated, "[n]either the tax code nor the complex regulations that govern nonprofits provide clear standards for how much political activity a 501(c)(4) group can undertake. The code does not even provide a clear definition of what qualifies as political activity."
Additionally, the government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed a federal lawsuit in May 2013 asking for a judicial order that the IRS initiate a process to bring its rules on 501(c)(4) nonprofits in line with federal law, and this adds to the potential for even more scrutiny of (c)(4) groups.

Finances

Contributors and Membership

Freedom Partners boasts over 200 members, with each member paying at least $100,000 in annual dues, according to POLITICO.[SUP][1][/SUP] Despite Freedom Partners' connection to other Koch family entities, Freedom Partners' President Marc Short claims, "Koch-linked entities provided a 'minority' of the funds" for Freedom Partners in the 2012 fiscal year. Short also noted that "the largest single donor gave about $25 million."

Distribution of Grants and Other Financial Assistance

Freedom Partners' tax returns from the 2011 fiscal year reveal that the organization provided financial support for 30 groups (both private and government affiliated) between November 2011 and November 2012.(Freedom Partners 990 Tax Form, 2011)Freedom Partners, unknown to the public at the time, was the largest financial contributor to conservative groups in the 2012 election.
As reported by Politico, recipients of the largest grants included:

  • "Center to Protect Patient Rights, a group that vehemently opposes Obamacare: a total of $115 million, from three grants."
  • "Americans for Prosperity, an organizing and advocacy group that is courted by Republican presidential candidates: $32.3 million."
  • "The 60 Plus Association, a free-market seniors group that also opposes Obamacare: $15.7 million."
  • "American Future Fund, an Iowa group that spent a lot of money on ads in 2012, many for Mitt Romney: $13.6 million."
  • "Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee, which gets involved in a number of social policy debates: $8.2 million."
  • "Themis Trust, a Koch-based voter database that is made available to other conservative organizations: $5.8 million."
  • "Public Notice, a fiscal policy think tank: $5.5 million."
  • "Generation Opportunity, a group for 'liberty-loving' young people: $5 million."
  • "The Libre Initiative, which targets a free-market message to Hispanic immigrants: $3.1 million."
  • "The National Rifle Association: $3.5 million."
  • "The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: $2 million."
  • "American Energy Alliance: $1.5 million."


Freedom Partners also provided assistance to:

  • State Tea Party Express, an extension of the Tea Party Express that is focused on State issues: $600,000.
  • Tea Party Patriots, an organization advocating "fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free market economic policies": $200,000
  • Heritage Action for America, a "sister organization" of the Heritage Foundation which "advance conservative policy." :$500,000
    [*]American Commitment,an organization aimed at, "restoring and protecting the American Commitment to free markets, economic growth, Constitutionally-limited government, property rights, and individual freedom.": $6.26 million
    [*]National Federation of Independent Business, a lobbying group that calls itself "the voice of small business.": $1.5 million
    [*]National Federation of Independent Business, The Voice of Free Enterprise Inc.: $575,000.
    [*]National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation: $300,000.
    [*]National Federation of Independent Business, Small Business Legal Center: $125,000.
    [*]Partnership for Ohio's Future, an electioneering organization affiliated with the Ohio Chamber of Commerce: $500,000.
    [*]West Michigan Policy Forum, a group attempting to, "create jobs and opportunities in Michigan by removing barriers to competitiveness," in particular, by making Michigan and "right to work" state: $1 million
    [*]American Values Action: $230,000.
    [*]Common Sense Issues Inc., an Ohio group concerned with, “life issues, liberty, economics, natural family, national security, personal security and confronting radical Islam”: $50,000
    [*]National Association of Manufacturers, The largest manufacturing organization in the United States: $1.17 million.
    [*]Orra, LLC (EvanGC4 Trust),"formally a 'related organization' of Themis": $5.055 million
    [*]Republican Jewish Coalition, a group focused on bringing the concerns of the Jewish community to Republic leaders: $700,000.
    [*]Rion, LLC (Center for Shared Services Trust), the Center for Shared Services "provide talent and opportunity for free market non-profit organizations." : $2.738 million.
    [*]Slah, LLC (Public Engagement Group Trust): $1.5 million.
    [*]National Right to Work Committee, an organization which advocates that no employee "should ever be forced to affiliate with a union in order to get or keep a job.": $1 million.

Freedom Partners' federal tax returns for 2011 also reveal several entities wholly owned by Freedom Partners. As noted by Lisa Graves of the Center for Media and Democracy, these entities are:

  • The "American Entrepreneur Fund LLC," which had assets of $885,316 and whose activities are listed as simply as "projects,"
  • The "American Enterprise Group LLC," which had assets of $424,975 and whose activities are listed as "management,"
  • The "American Strategies Group LLC," which had assets of $97,714 and whose activities are listed as "public outreach,"
  • The "MIC LLC," with assets of $25,000 and the job of "research," and
  • "American Strategic Innovations LLC," with assets of $4,976, the purpose of which was also listed as "research"
Of the groups that received funding, several are, "limited liability corporations that are wholly owned by better-known nonprofits -- what the IRS refers to as "disregarded entities."For example, according to OpenSecretsBlog, Corner Table LLC, Eleventh Edition LLC, and American Commitment LLC -- are all "disregarded entities" wholly owned by the Center to Protect Patient Rights.

The Association for American Innovation was chartered as a Delaware corporation on November 2, 2011, according to Bizpedia.

Also, as of May 22, 2013, a Google internet search for "Association for American Innovation" found no official webpage for the organization.


And what's this?.... SPN: The $83 Million Right-Wing Empire Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government

THE STATE POLICY NETWORK

What Is The State Policy Network?
The State Policy Network (SPN) is a web of so-called “think tanks” that push a right-wing agenda in every state across the country. Although many of SPN’s member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, an in-depth investigation by non-profit, non-partisan investigative reporting groups the Center for Media and Democracy and Progress Now reveals that SPN and its affiliates are major drivers of the right-wing, ALEC-backed agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders, all while reporting little or no lobbying activities.

What Is SPN’s Agenda?

SPN largely pushes a right-wing, corporate-backed agenda aimed at attacking the middle class. SPN and its affiliates push for privatizing public schools, blocking expanded access to health care, lowering taxes for corporations and the very wealthy, undermining workers’ rights and unions, and a polluter’s agenda that attacks environmental protections. Some SPN “think tanks” have even advocated for voter suppression laws that make it harder for Americans to vote and opposed common-sense gun safety bills.

Who Funds SPN?

SPN has become an $83 million right-wing empire. SPN and its affiliates are not required to disclose their donors, and almost none of the groups publish a list of funders. Tax documents and other available records reveal that SPN is funded by large corporations, right-wing foundations, and wealthy conservative ideologues. Some of the most notable corporate funders of SPN and its web of “think tanks” include Big Tobacco companies (like Reynolds), Big Oil corporations (like the Koch family fortune), AT&T, Kraft Foods, Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Facebook, and Microsoft. SPN and its “think tanks” are also largely funded by right-wing special interest groups and individuals, including the Koch brothers, the DeVos family, the Coors family (of Coors Brewing Company), the Walton Family Foundation (of Walmart), Richard Mellon Scaife, Art Pope, the Roe Foundation, and the Bradley Foundation.

How Does SPN’s Agenda Benefit Its Donors?

Funding to SPN in some ways resembles a client-based relationship. SPN groups promote legal changes that benefit their right-wing funders and partners. SPN think tanks often advocate for lowering corporate taxes, restricting workers’ rights, repealing minimum and living wage laws, and opposing government regulations on businesses – all of which could benefit their right-wing and corporate backers.

How Is SPN Related to ALEC?

SPN and many of its affiliates are members of the controversial American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), where corporate lobbyists and special interest group representatives vote as equals with state lawmakers behind closed doors on “model” legislation that in many cases ends up benefiting the corporations’ bottom line. SPN has played a major role in supporting ALEC, serving as a “chairman” level sponsor of the 2013 and 2011 ALEC Annual Conferences and acting as a voting member of several task forces. SPN affiliates push parts of ALEC’s agenda in their respective states, and ALEC is also an associate member of SPN. SPN and its affiliates have contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to ALEC.

How Does SPN Push Its Agenda?

While SPN members call themselves “think tanks,” they rarely act as such. SPN groups often engage in extensive lobbying activities, even though nonprofits are limited in the amount of lobbying activity they may participate in by the IRS. SPN “think tanks” release “research” and policy reports, and there are numerous instances of SPN think tanks being accused of skewing facts and using faulty research to reach their policy goals. Many SPN think tanks also collaborate with the right-wing Franklin Center to launch agenda-driven “news” outlets, hawking right-wing talking points from behind a mask of journalism.
SOURCE: SourceWatch.org, “State Policy Network”
 
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We got Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash elected with the Republican Party. Political parties are just a vehicle to get elected.

Yes, and then what? Once you are in, what next? Did Ron Paul really get anything accomplished in the 20 years? He only got some movement with Audit the Fed after his message got out in his Presidential campaign and the grassroots pushing that message, Most people had no clue that the Federal Reserve was a private organization.
 
SPN is a pretty good organization, their member think tanks do put out a lot of good policy. The problem is that they are all thinkers and not doers, so they aren't that effective at getting their grand schemes implemented.
 
Yes, and then what? Once you are in, what next? Did Ron Paul really get anything accomplished in the 20 years? He only got some movement with Audit the Fed after his message got out in his Presidential campaign and the grassroots pushing that message, Most people had no clue that the Federal Reserve was a private organization.

Chill out on attacking Ron Paul.
 
Yes, and then what? Once you are in, what next? Did Ron Paul really get anything accomplished in the 20 years? He only got some movement with Audit the Fed after his message got out in his Presidential campaign and the grassroots pushing that message, Most people had no clue that the Federal Reserve was a private organization.
A few points on this... first off Ron was in the House where he is 1 out of 435. Secondly, the rules in the House don't make it as conducive to one guy standing up and stopping stuff. Third, Rand is much more skilled politically than Ron was. Fourth, Ron didn't have the Internet for most of his elected career to be able to bypass the mainstream channels. Fifth, Rand had the luxury of a massive organization that Ron built. Ron didn't really have that luxury.
 
I do look at the big picture, but I don't view the Koch Brothers as an enemy like liberals/progressives/socialists do.

I'd be more concerned with them if the Dems didn't paint their involvement as some sort of kooky political outlier, hell bent on distorting the electoral process, while ignoring the massive amounts of money their candidates get from similar special interests like Bloomberg's anti-gun PAC. Ever since that SCOTUS ruling about SuperPACs, billionaires on both sides have been meddling equally and if you compare electoral success of late it appears the Kochs are not winning that battle.
 
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LoL what is up with you and spinning what people say. Did they teach you at in the GOP? I don't even see how what he said was an attack.

I view this as an attack: "Did Ron Paul really get anything accomplished in the 20 years?"

I find that statement rude and insulting to Ron Paul.
 
I don't totally trust the Kochs. But they could be helpful to Rand depending on the circumstances.
 
Fringe left? I think you had too much to dream last night. If you think for a second that people aren't coming around to understanding that economic hitmen like Koch and others haven't completely hijacked our electoral process then you're insane. Representation of the individual most certainly is a personal agenda. And more people are beginning to take it personal. This is not fringe in any way. One thing that has been a virus in the political processes of elections is that these econmic hitmen and their minions thrive off of the ignorance of the people. It's truly a travesty. Call them fringe if you like but ad hominem doesn't change the fact.

Maybe he's not ready to face the light? :)
 
well

i mean when libertarian party is pulling more leftists than conservatives you know there certainly are some quantifiable people leaning left that might have been sympathetic to ron paul at one point in time.. most people in virginia race actually voted for the libertarian candidate and self identified as liberals, and i completely called that one by the way in terms of liberal vote split so just a little credit to self. it's a different story if people voted libertarian party then self id as conservatives, that would fit the narrative some here are painting, somehow rand isn't 'true to the roots' enough..

no..

those people weren't fully on board with the pauls in the first place. i still don't get why people who like some form of socialized medicine and less economic freedom were ever on board with ron paul to the degree that they were, ventura being an example. if they were as inspired by ron as they claimed to the degree that i was inspired, you would think ron could manage to sway their thinking a little in terms of free market, but no, not really.
 
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