Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell: Odd-couple allies

[Deborah K]

And it was very necessary for him to remain pure as he built what we see today.

However, where Ron Paul succeeded, he was also alienated by his entire party (not his fault, but it is what it is) and never able to pass legislation, that we're now gaining momentum to actually be able to pass, with those who aren't allowing them to attach damaging stigmas and are garnering more influence within the party among the non-corrupt, as Ron's changes are increasingly being demanded.

IMO, Ron laid the groundwork, but there is more to be done to take control of the party and policy.

I personally think it's too late for that. We didn't succeed in making enough inroads in time. I won't put any more effort into that strategy. I'm moving on to other strategies that will serve the movement a lot better, given that time is running out.

 

[TheGrinch]

I personally think it's too late for that. We didn't succeed in making enough inroads in time. I won't put any more effort into that strategy. I'm moving on to other strategies that will serve the movement a lot better, given that time is running out.

Perhaps you may end up being right, and I do applaud you for all you've done and continue to do, whatever that may be. Please let me know if there's anything we can do to help.

But I don't care if your an an-cap, a conservative republican, a libertarian, democrat, truther, even a racist, or what method you think is most likely to bring success. I will support anyone who is fighting for our causes in what they feel is the best way they can, until they show me otherwise that they're not worthy of my trust.

Even if our methods differ, we're all fighting for the same thing: liberty. As Dr. Paul has said, freedom is popular, and should be the thing that unites us. We cannot let ourselves be divided by differences in opinion of tactics. This is and will always be an uphill battle against corrupt and powerful interests.

 

[Deborah K]

Perhaps you may end up being right, and I do applaud you for all you've done and continue to do, whatever that may be. Please let me know if there's anything we can do to help.

But I don't care if your an an-cap, a conservative republican, a libertarian, democrat, truther, even a racist, or what method you think is most likely to bring success. I will support anyone who is fighting for our causes in what they feel is the best way they can, until they show me otherwise that they're not worthy of my trust.

Even if our methods differ, we're all fighting for the same thing: liberty. As Dr. Paul has said, freedom is popular, and should be the thing that unites us. We cannot let ourselves be divided by differences in opinion of tactics. This is and will always be an uphill battle against corrupt and powerful interests.

Thanks, and I agree with you. My proposal for change can be found here, btw.: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389704-Pick-one-issue&p=4641568#post4641568

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

On the otherhand, if Rand wants to be a serious presidential candidate, working with Mitch is how its played.

Precisely. Picking a fight with McConnell would has disaster written all over it.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Precisely. Picking a fight with McConnell would has disaster written all over it.

Right. You fight the leadership by becoming the leadership. As I see it, the soonest we could get enough Senators in office that would support Rand or someone similar for leadership would be 2016, and that is being optimistic. More realistic would be 2020.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Some here are more concerned with politics than preserving liberty....sad.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Right. You fight the leadership by becoming the leadership. As I see it, the soonest we could get enough Senators in office that would support Rand or someone similar for leadership would be 2016, and that is being optimistic. More realistic would be 2020.

Rand is an enormous power-broker in Kentucky because he played the game well. McConnel isn't stupid either, he knows which way the wind is blowing.

 

[Carlybee]

You have to wonder if all these people sticking up for McConnell are GOP plants. Good Lord.

 

[TheGrinch]

Some here are more concerned with politics than preserving liberty....sad.

That is a completely unfair characterization (with the possible, okay likely exception of CaptLou). I wouldn't advocate playing politics if the goal wasn't to advance the cause of liberty and continue to bring it into the public discourse.

I've been where you are, jsut saying F-you to the establishment, that I won't take part in their game. I went to school studying media and politics. Guess which of those fields I've been in for the last 6 years, prior to joining this campaign this year. Neither, I had too much integrity once I saw the beast I would be feeding, and that I would never be allowed to actually speak my mind if I wanted to get anywhere.

But you know what, jadedness and apathy solve absolutely nothing. They'd love it if we just all went away back to the fringe. But they're cheating because they view us a very real threat to their gravy train, as they should.

That doesn't mean that the republican route is necessarily the right route, it may be merely a stepping stone for third parties to gain viability, but jsut stop demonizing people who are trying whatever they can to stop these evil bastards and save our country before it's too late.

 

[TheGrinch]

You have to wonder if all these people sticking up for McConnell are GOP plants. Good Lord.

Point to me who has stuck up for McConnell here.

You and CC need to just stop with this hateful hyperbole.

 

[Carlybee]

Point to me who has stuck up for McConnell here.

You and CC need to just stop with this hateful hyperbole.

LOL. Truth hurt much? Saying that pandering to McConnell is the same thing as sticking up for him IMO. The man needs to go.

 

[Carlybee]

The point is.... sometimes you have to work with people you disagree with. More so when you need their people to get yours elected.

I understand working with people you disagree with but working with someone who is so diametrically opposite on important liberty issues. I had high hopes that the RP Revolution was going to bring a change from doing politics as usual but it just seems like more of the same to me.

 

[TheGrinch]

LOL. Truth hurt much? Saying that pandering to McConnell is the same thing as sticking up for him IMO. The man needs to go.

Who is saying either of those things?

I just don't follow how you get to these bold conclusions you always jump to. This isn't the first tiem you've called me a plant for merely giving people (Rand) the benefit of the doubt until his voting record and things far more important than loose afilliations and possibly fabrications by the media, are what changes.

Rather, I think it's pretty clear who has the agenda here. I've always been open-minded and willing to consider, and I wish I could say the same about you two

 

[Carlybee]

Sure don't need any more extreme truthfulness and transparency in elected officials...damn, if only they would be more conniving and obtuse, then we'd really start to fix this mess!!

Owe you a +rep

 

[cajuncocoa]

Point to me who has stuck up for McConnell here.

You and CC need to just stop with this hateful hyperbole.

Truth hurt much? Maybe "stuck up for McConnell" is the wrong choice of words, but there sure are 4 or 5 here (in another thread) who think Jesse's move to McConnell's campaign will be a boost for the cause of liberty. Insane.

 

[TheGrinch]

Truth hurt much?

LOL, no....

4 or 5 people in a 37 page thread who think Jesse will sabotage his campaign are not representative of anything, and is pure hyperbole against those giving Rand the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Carlybee]

Who is saying either of those things?

I just don't follow how you get to these bold conclusions you always jump to. This isn't the first tiem you've called me a plant for merely giving people (Rand) the benefit of the doubt until his voting record and things far more important than loose afilliations and possibly fabrications by the media, are what changes.

Rather, I think it's pretty clear who has the agenda here. I've always been open-minded and willing to consider, and I wish I could say the same about you two

Where did I call YOU a plant? Where did I single anyone out? And there are several threads going on the forum dealing with McConnell so it is hard to keep them all straight but yes there are people on here encouraging pandering to McConnell and some defending Jesse Benton. And I didn't say anything about Rand other than I can't believe he is hooking up with McConnell for political gain. I find it disgusting because I find McConnell's positions disgusting, but then I am not a political whore like some people.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Some here are more concerned with politics than preserving liberty....sad.

Some here are more concerned about self-righteously whinging about what other people are concerned about ... sad. And pointless.

That is a completely unfair characterization (with the possible, okay likely exception of CaptLou).

It's completely unfair to Cap'n Lou, as well.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Point to me who has stuck up for McConnell here.

You and CC need to just stop with this hateful hyperbole.

Here ya go:

I probably won't vote for Romney, but it's a really tough choice for me. I certainly don't criticize those who are going to vote for Romney. I would vote for Mitch McConnell in a general election if I lived in Kentucky, because a Senate race isn't as important as the Presidency. A Senator doesn't have the power to take our country to war.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Some here are more concerned about self-righteously whinging about what other people are concerned about ... sad. And pointless.



It's completely unfair to Cap'n Lou, as well.

"whinging"??? please define.