Rand needs to fire back up the abortion debate

[Danke]

I'm not advocating punishment. I made an if-then system that only requires basic logic to understand:



Pro-life leaders and the movement are - generally and IMO - unambiguous about two things:

1) supporting pro-life politicians
2) pro-life doesn't mean punishing the mother (severely, or at all typically)

I.e., they carve out any government action that would follow from the rhetoric (abortion = murder). What remains is, essentially, Obamacare. Read up on the history of the AMA and abortion.





What are you on? "subscribe" ... to the internet? I've posted videos about protesters not wanting punishement for the murderers before (I'm not sure if it is the same video):

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412263-Judge-Throws-Out-15-Charges-Against-Gosnell&p=4994797&viewfull=1#post4994797
[the video which is no longer available at the original link - I'll chase down another version one of these days].

I.e., get a clue.

You posted a crap YouTube channel video. What am I on? LOL

 

[euphemia]

The first thing that can happen is that abortuaries be required to undergo inspection and provide data in the same way other outpatient surgery centers do. The second thing is that if is to remain legal, it should never be covered by insurance or any tax funding. It must be paid directly by the patient. These are things that can change right now.

The "I can't afford it," argument is something to consider when taking the risk by having unprotected sex. If the consequences are too expenses, the initial behavior is too expensive.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Do you have a Mark Dice video you can link for corroboration?

http://www.kofc.org/un/en/resources...in_America_January2015_For_Release_150121.pdf

Most Americans, 84%, agree there should be significant restrictions and safe guards associated with theprocedure including limits to within the first three months of pregnancy, allowed only in cases of rape,incest, or to save the life of the mother, or never permitted.

 

[Jan2017]

This is Rand at his best from his Senate campaign in Kentucky . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DQ1R4difLw


I hope he gets well prepared and well rested with fire in his voice and delivery for the precious few minutes he will get
to speak in the crowded August 6 debate in Cleveland and watched nationwide - he is sounding tired and in a monotone
in speaking about immigration and securing the border recently imho - maybe watch some of his Dad from the debates,
who pointed out that as an obstetrician he was taught that you are taking care of two patients.

 

[jkob]

I think it is pretty clear that Rand doesn't want the abortion issue at the forefront of his campaign

he needs to get back to his roots and dance with the people that brought him

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think it is pretty clear that Rand doesn't want the abortion issue at the forefront of his campaign

he needs to get back to his roots and dance with the people that brought him

Wrong. You are just projecting your own pro-am abortion views onto him.

 

[Working Poor]

I hate to see him getting all fired up about abortion. No matter what he says he can't end it.

 

[rich34]

I'm still waiting on him to bring up guns.

 

[tommyrp12]

Rand needs to fire back up the abortion debate

Here ya go. I don't know how effective a petition will be. At least he is bringing it up though.

RAND PAUL ASKS SUPPORTERS TO SIGN ‘DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD’ PETITION

 

[Crashland]

He shouldn't make abortion a central issue unless he's prepared to go full blown Santorum on it. Rand will never be the 'most' prolife candidate so might as well not open himself to attack from both sides. Maybe make a point on late term abortions, but if we're talking protect the unborn from conception, not a good idea.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm still waiting on him to bring up guns.

Good point. We know where Rand stands on guns and abortion, but making these issues centerpieces is not a winning election strategy, especially with independents or in the general election.

 

[William Tell]

He shouldn't make abortion a central issue unless he's prepared to go full blown Santorum on it. Rand will never be the 'most' prolife candidate so might as well not open himself to attack from both sides. Maybe make a point on late term abortions, but if we're talking protect the unborn from conception, not a good idea.

Actually, he probably is the most prolife candidate.

 

[William Tell]

I think it is pretty clear that Rand doesn't want the abortion issue at the forefront of his campaign

he needs to get back to his roots and dance with the people that brought him

Prolifers brought him, look at his Senate campaign.

 

[Crashland]

Actually, he probably is the most prolife candidate.

As long as he continues to support incremental change he will always be attacked from the prolife side. He has even said on the record that he doesn't think the country is ready for 100% prolife policies, and that ramming such a thing through would be comparable to what Obama did with Obamacare.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

While I'd rather he focus on the economy, jobs, and the debt and deficit, this is a hot issue right now. It's not entirely about the bigger issue of abortion, but this specific scandal involving Planned Parenthood. I think this is sufficiently ghastly to affect even pro-choice voters.

 

[devil21]

I can't wait to focus on something that actually affects a teeny tiny percentage of people's lives!

Don't bother with global financial system changes, sovereignty loss or war. Let's focus on the tiny percentage of people that get abortions and those that hate them.

 

[65fastback2+2]

I can't wait to focus on something that actually affects a teeny tiny percentage of people's lives!

Don't bother with global financial system changes, sovereignty loss or war. Let's focus on the tiny percentage of people that get abortions and those that hate them.

oh, so talking about something that has effected 150 million+ lives doesnt matter.

Got it.

 

[William Tell]

As long as he continues to support incremental change he will always be attacked from the prolife side. He has even said on the record that he doesn't think the country is ready for 100% prolife policies, and that ramming such a thing through would be comparable to what Obama did with Obamacare.

I don't see him being attacked by the prolife side, they generally support incremental change too, since that's all we get. Besides, I get letters from Rand touting his support for the Life at Conception act he introduced. Name one candidate who's more prolife than that?

 

[devil21]

oh, so talking about something that has effected 150 million+ lives doesnt matter.

Got it.

I'd rather focus on things that nearly everyone is affected by now and in the near future, not tiny niche groups with opinions that will never find agreement. Abortion is the perfect wedge issue because it wastes time and energy on a topic that few actually are directly affected by and will never be changed.

 

[65fastback2+2]

I'd rather focus on things that nearly everyone is affected by now and in the near future, not tiny niche groups with opinions that will never find agreement. Abortion is the perfect wedge issue because it wastes time and energy on a topic that few actually are directly affected by and will never be changed.

more wrong.

you think if we eliminated 50 million workers from our workforce right now, how would the economy look?

That effects all of us.