Rand needs to attack Common Core and take no prisoners

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A little bit of early campaign advice for Rand: Go after Common Core. Savage it. Tie it to the Communist Manifesto. Talk about our declining ranking in education and how that ties in with American Exceptionalism. Make it about the children.

If Rand does that, not only would he be taking a great stand, but he could also really destroy Huckabee and Jeb before the primary ever starts.
 
A little bit of early campaign advice for Rand: Go after Common Core. Savage it. Tie it to the Communist Manifesto. Talk about our declining ranking in education and how that ties in with American Exceptionalism. Make it about the children.

Yer gonna get him trampled with that advice, taft.

These are very delicate times of transition in both infrastructure and society as a whole. A time like no other in the history of man.
 
Those government officials who support ANY Federal regulation on education are in the same moral status as child molesters, IMO.
 
Yer gonna get him trampled with that advice, taft.

These are very delicate times of transition in both infrastructure and society as a whole. A time like no other in the history of man.

Explain.

Now is the time to connect with the base. Not after the primaries. Really not during the primaries. He needs to have their trust going into the primaries if he wants to win.
 
Explain.

Now is the time to connect with the base. Not after the primaries. Really not during the primaries. He needs to have their trust going into the primaries if he wants to win.

Yeah, and I think this is an issue most Republicans would agree with him on.
 
Attacking common core seems like a great idea but I think Rand likes to wholly and fully put his attention behind ideas that get people behind him from all sides. Common core rallies the base but probably won't rile up anyone else, which is what Rand likes to do. I do agree though, attacking common core would put down Huck and Jeb real quick.

If anybody looks at the chatter on Jeb bush on facebook, it is literally 100% negative, people are slamming him on common core and immigration.
 
Explain.

Now is the time to connect with the base. Not after the primaries. Really not during the primaries. He needs to have their trust going into the primaries if he wants to win.

OK. Let me finish my cereal first. I just dumped a big bowl of some kind of nutty granola stuff and sat down at my desk. Might be long winded.
 
A little bit of early campaign advice for Rand: Go after Common Core. Savage it.

I could see Rand criticizing the Dept. of Education for incentivizing states to adopt Common Core through its "Race to the Top" program, since that's the extent of Federal involvement in this. Other than that, I don't see why he should get involved - it was developed by a nongovernmental consortium and was adopted on a state-by-state basis. It's an issue for state-level politicians.

Tie it to the Communist Manifesto.

You see, that's the sort of off-the-wall rhetoric that Rand's done a great job of avoiding. Why would you want him to make himself sound bonkers to moderate voters?
 
You see, that's the sort of off-the-wall rhetoric that Rand's done a great job of avoiding. Why would you want him to make himself sound bonkers to moderate voters?

He can be creative. With this conflict with Russia, I think it might sink in well.
 
I agree with Taftfan, there is a huge constituency of conservatives who feel they are totally
being left out to dry by the Republicans on common core.
If he takes this issue head-on,
he could get some major support & activism boosts.

Also, all the big teacher unions have condemned common core, they absolutely hate it,
he can get broad support on this as well.
If he doesn't lead on this then someone disengenuious will.
 
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FWIW, in that article, Rand gets top billing above Cruz wherever either is mentioned.

I would argue Rand has already been leading on this for awhile now; but from a different angle. He has frequently pushed charter schools and said "School Choice is the Civil Rights Issue of Our Day" IIRC, this has been one of his standard planks of outreach to minority groups.

Coming out just against common core and attacking it is a myopic strategy and largely partisan; where as Rand's method is more far-sighted and better approaches the issue from a freedom aspect.

I don't think you'll see Rand calling for the abolishment of the DoE as a standard stump speech, hell most americans will interpret that as abolishing public education entirely (good luck explaining federal vs. state to the masses).

But ok, lets say Rand needs to be even more vocal about attacking common core. Let's here some ideas on how Rand can do it via freedom minded legislation that is nonpartisan and can get the most wide range of support.
 
FWIW, in that article, Rand gets top billing above Cruz wherever either is mentioned.

I would argue Rand has already been leading on this for awhile now; but from a different angle. He has frequently pushed charter schools and said "School Choice is the Civil Rights Issue of Our Day" IIRC, this has been one of his standard planks of outreach to minority groups.

Coming out just against common core and attacking it is a myopic strategy and largely partisan; where as Rand's method is more far-sighted and better approaches the issue from a freedom aspect.

I don't think you'll see Rand calling for the abolishment of the DoE as a standard stump speech, hell most americans will interpret that as abolishing public education entirely (good luck explaining federal vs. state to the masses).

But ok, lets say Rand needs to be even more vocal about attacking common core. Let's here some ideas on how Rand can do it via freedom minded legislation that is nonpartisan and can get the most wide range of support.

unfortounatly, the link on newsmax.com had a photo of cruz and only mentioned cruz & pence in the headline
 
A little bit of early campaign advice for Rand: Go after Common Core. Savage it. Tie it to the Communist Manifesto. Talk about our declining ranking in education and how that ties in with American Exceptionalism. Make it about the children.

If Rand does that, not only would he be taking a great stand, but he could also really destroy Huckabee and Jeb before the primary ever starts.

Or he could just attack it for what it is, which is a takeaway of creativity and critical thinking from teachers and students. No need to throw idiotic communist red meat claims when he can rally conservatives, liberals, and libertarians as a whole.
 
A little bit of early campaign advice for Rand: Go after Common Core. Savage it. Tie it to the Communist Manifesto. Talk about our declining ranking in education and how that ties in with American Exceptionalism. Make it about the children.

If Rand does that, not only would he be taking a great stand, but he could also really destroy Huckabee and Jeb before the primary ever starts.

I have friends that are teachers that are 100% against it, and know parents that are against it as well.
I can't think of anybody that has actually seen the stupid curriculum and had to use it, that thinks it's good.
So, Rand could be rallying teachers, parents, and students on an issue....

Here's a recent article on it:
http://www.rgj.com/article/20140323/NEWS/303230035/Common-Core-Who-supports-Who-opposes-

And he could be using a slightly altered Reagan position to sure up the Tea Party base, by suggesting shrinking (at least) the control the DoE has.
Because after all, if he is playing the game to win it, we know he can't take the same position as his dad right and suggest closing it?
 
I do agree though, attacking common core would put down Huck and Jeb real quick.

No it won't. It will open up the door to painting him as the one who disfranchised American students in favor of providing a means for their foreign counterparts to instead benefit from an education relative to the new age. And I'll be the first to do it. Of course, I couldn't care less about Huck and Jeb though. I simply oppose political people placing roadblocks in front of the coming generation just because they don't want to let go of logic that only conforms to the dying infrastructure which they continue to try to squeeze one last breath from. This is selfish. It's a patent disregard for American youth.

I'm not even going to bother here with this thread now that I think about it.

The only thing I'd agree with most here on is the govt. propaganda that I've seen slipped into it. Most of the opposition from teachers comes as a result of the fact that they don't want to start all over again themselves. Which is what is happening. The teachers who are products of a failed/obsolete system don't want to evolve to students who are capable of self teaching before they ever walk through the front door of any school. They are the first generation to live their entire lives surounded by technology.

Of course, Rand, Massie or whomever can attack modern education that serves to prepare American students to compete and produce in the new age instead of their foreign counterparts. They're free to take any position they wish if just trying to hurry up and get elected is at the top of their list and changing the course happens to be all the way at the bottom for them. But the popular position from political pundits is equally as obsolete as the dying age that they use as justification to take that position. I'll take a nation of young producers over a nation of young consumers any day. So my philosophy differs from that of some. Perhaps many given the purely politically driven approach to the issue that has become the meme.
 
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First I would like to say the obvious answer to our education problem is of coirse privatization. Having our colleges face the scrutiny of free markets is the reason we rank 1st in college education. Not just rank 1st but dominate the college landscape.

That being said, is common core really that much worse than what we have now? It might be even a little better from what I have seen. If you don't think the department of education federalized the schools along time ago, you are delusional.

Now, I have heard a lot of complaints about common core math. My wife was telling me how they're teaching math a new way and it has kids crying and parents confused. I'm a mechanical engineer with a stronger math background than a fair share of the population, so I had to take a look. There was actually a site dedicated to critisizing specific common core math problems. Besides the few grammatical mistakes that are to be expected from a new text, I like what I saw.

Most people learned addition, subtraction, multiplication, ect. through memorization. This works OK, but has serious limitations. The most obvious is that someone's computational speed will slow down significantly over time. There are other interesting downfalls as well. So everyone knows what 8+8 equals, but does everyone know what 8+8 equals in base 7? No, because you didn't memorize base 7, you only memorized base 10. Common core math tries to train people to solve math problems by breaking the down into simpler concepts. I noticed many of these concepts are ones I employ myself. I developed these skills mostly because I was bad at memorization. This simplification process served me well. I scored a 100% on every differential equation test I had in college.

I think the biggest reason teachers and parents don't like common core math is because they don't understand it, and are reluctant to change their ways. I rember in 5th grade we were given an assignment where everyone had to make up something to teach the class. Most of the kids made up a board game and taught it to the class. I made up a new way to do subtraction. My method went like this:

Suppose you were subtracting 17 from 25. For my method and the original you put 17 under 25. With the original method you take a 1 from 2 so you are subtracting 5 from 17 instead of 7. My way utililized a new method to combat this. Instead of turning 7 into 17, you subtract 5 from 7 and then subtract that from 10. When you did this you had to remember to subtract 1 from the 10s place, same as when you do a carry with the original method.

The idea was that you were replacing one operation with two easier ones. Now I know the original operation wasn't that hard, but this still had some validity to it, and is an impress concept for a 5th grader to come up with in my humble opinion. Anyway, the point of this was that my class literly shit a brick. All I heard was screams of, "You can't change how you do subtraction. Rabble Rabble." I couldn't believe how resistant these people were to change when it came to something like math. They learned it one way, and that was the way they were going to do it. They wouldn't even consider weighing the advantages of one method over the other. I think this is the real problem most people have with common core math.
 
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